1 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:13,150 [Music] 2 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:39,220 hello and welcome to the show on Martin 3 00:00:44,140 --> 00:00:41,330 Willis your host and you are getting a 4 00:00:47,650 --> 00:00:44,150 pre-recorded show on this one here 5 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:47,660 because I'm actually traveling I'm at a 6 00:00:54,010 --> 00:00:49,010 place where I know that I'm not going to 7 00:00:57,580 --> 00:00:54,020 be able to do a show so this show has 8 00:01:00,190 --> 00:00:57,590 been pre-recorded and unfortunately 9 00:01:02,110 --> 00:01:00,200 couldn't have Alejandro Rojas on for UFO 10 00:01:06,940 --> 00:01:02,120 news because it would be outdated by the 11 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:06,950 time that he would be on and so it's 12 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:09,290 just myself and a great guest 13 00:01:16,060 --> 00:01:13,610 Jeremy ray from Colorado he was on 14 00:01:18,310 --> 00:01:16,070 hangar 1 he was a co-host on hangar 1 15 00:01:20,499 --> 00:01:18,320 he's a star team investigator for a 16 00:01:22,990 --> 00:01:20,509 MUFON we're gonna be talking about all 17 00:01:26,290 --> 00:01:23,000 kinds of things his own experiences and 18 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:26,300 much more it's a regular show as far as 19 00:01:31,510 --> 00:01:29,090 time goes and I want to thank everyone 20 00:01:32,650 --> 00:01:31,520 that helps out and supports the show 21 00:01:36,550 --> 00:01:32,660 anyone can do that 22 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:36,560 and the informations over on podcast UFO 23 00:01:39,490 --> 00:01:37,250 com 24 00:01:42,609 --> 00:01:39,500 so this show also will be running a 25 00:01:46,180 --> 00:01:42,619 course on kgr a radio and after its 26 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:46,190 regular time slot that's 6 to 8 p.m. 27 00:01:51,550 --> 00:01:48,610 Eastern Standard Time on Tuesday and 28 00:01:54,699 --> 00:01:51,560 also it's going to be on the Dark Matter 29 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:54,709 digital network as well and another 30 00:01:58,990 --> 00:01:57,410 radio station I keep asking for more 31 00:02:02,980 --> 00:01:59,000 information on that but it does run on 32 00:02:05,650 --> 00:02:02,990 that as well so and for the you tube 33 00:02:07,150 --> 00:02:05,660 listeners it's uh it will be posted at 34 00:02:10,449 --> 00:02:07,160 some point on YouTube but of course not 35 00:02:13,420 --> 00:02:10,459 the regular timeslot so that's it for me 36 00:02:15,730 --> 00:02:13,430 and I'm welcome welcoming you to the 37 00:02:18,220 --> 00:02:15,740 show Jeremy how are you good good 38 00:02:21,010 --> 00:02:18,230 morning good morning well it's good 39 00:02:22,059 --> 00:02:21,020 wherever we're time this I suppose did 40 00:02:25,229 --> 00:02:22,069 yes 41 00:02:29,979 --> 00:02:25,239 now I met you at the MUFON symposium 42 00:02:31,540 --> 00:02:29,989 down in Cherry Hill and that was that 43 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:31,550 was a real blast and I know you're a 44 00:02:36,700 --> 00:02:35,540 good friend of Tony and Tony Angela and 45 00:02:40,210 --> 00:02:36,710 Julie know 46 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:40,220 and Ben moss so that that scares me 47 00:02:45,220 --> 00:02:43,850 right there actually no they're great 48 00:02:48,340 --> 00:02:45,230 guys I love them 49 00:02:50,980 --> 00:02:48,350 yeah yeah salesman shoes together yeah 50 00:02:54,070 --> 00:02:50,990 yeah there are a lot of fun so hey can 51 00:02:56,460 --> 00:02:54,080 you tell for the person that doesn't 52 00:02:59,350 --> 00:02:56,470 know who you are basically can you tell 53 00:03:00,640 --> 00:02:59,360 just explain who you are and how you get 54 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:00,650 involved in well 55 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:02,450 how you got involved in UFOs is a whole 56 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:04,930 nother story we'll talk about that oh 57 00:03:14,170 --> 00:03:09,890 well I joined move on in 2000 how long 58 00:03:17,050 --> 00:03:14,180 in 2006 and I joined to volunteer to be 59 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:17,060 a UFO investigator because I had my own 60 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:19,010 personal experiences growing up and I 61 00:03:23,470 --> 00:03:20,840 wanted to learn about what other people 62 00:03:27,670 --> 00:03:23,480 were experiencing and that's that's 63 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:27,680 where I started in California and I was 64 00:03:32,230 --> 00:03:30,290 investigator there for about three years 65 00:03:34,030 --> 00:03:32,240 and then I moved to Texas and I was an 66 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:34,040 investigator there for a while and then 67 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:35,690 I moved to Denver so I hopped around 68 00:03:45,550 --> 00:03:39,770 States and always been with MUFON 69 00:03:49,630 --> 00:03:45,560 there was a time back in 2008 were there 70 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:49,640 was this project called the s IP project 71 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:51,410 where Robert Bigelow from Bigelow 72 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:53,450 Aerospace came in and started funding 73 00:03:58,660 --> 00:03:56,090 UFO research yeah I was a part of that 74 00:04:01,030 --> 00:03:58,670 and that was that was very interesting 75 00:04:03,790 --> 00:04:01,040 and then later on down the road I was 76 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:03,800 asked to be on hangar 1 the UFO FILES 77 00:04:08,470 --> 00:04:06,110 and that's actually where I met Tony and 78 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:08,480 bin because I was in Texas during a time 79 00:04:12,580 --> 00:04:10,010 and they were in Virginia so MUFON 80 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:12,590 scattered everywhere I probably would 81 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:14,570 have never met them if maybe bumped into 82 00:04:18,820 --> 00:04:16,970 a meta at a symposium like yourself but 83 00:04:22,540 --> 00:04:18,830 we just get that we hit it off pretty 84 00:04:24,370 --> 00:04:22,550 well on the set uh-huh so we're in 85 00:04:28,570 --> 00:04:24,380 California were you for a while 86 00:04:32,790 --> 00:04:28,580 Northern California yeah Sacramento AHA 87 00:04:34,750 --> 00:04:32,800 I lived I lived up north of there for an 88 00:04:35,590 --> 00:04:34,760 Tiburon I don't know if you know where 89 00:04:38,590 --> 00:04:35,600 that is 90 00:04:42,010 --> 00:04:38,600 Sausalito to run you know that area Mill 91 00:04:44,590 --> 00:04:42,020 Valley and so the reason I brought that 92 00:04:46,780 --> 00:04:44,600 up is because I know that California it 93 00:04:49,850 --> 00:04:46,790 has the most sightings in the United 94 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:49,860 States also by far it has 95 00:04:55,310 --> 00:04:53,520 - this show is the number one listening 96 00:04:58,340 --> 00:04:55,320 state of course it's a big population 97 00:04:59,690 --> 00:04:58,350 there but you know California is one New 98 00:05:04,850 --> 00:04:59,700 York's - of course those are high 99 00:05:08,180 --> 00:05:04,860 populated states but there are a lot of 100 00:05:10,490 --> 00:05:08,190 UFO sightings there I mean a lot and so 101 00:05:13,430 --> 00:05:10,500 that must have kept you pretty busy it 102 00:05:16,790 --> 00:05:13,440 was actually probably the most real UFO 103 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:16,800 sightings I've seen was in Sacramento 104 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:18,570 area and I'm talking like right off I 105 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:20,910 five North yeah I don't know highways a 106 00:05:24,770 --> 00:05:23,010 lot of the sightings you look at a map 107 00:05:27,590 --> 00:05:24,780 you know by five runs north and south 108 00:05:29,390 --> 00:05:27,600 right the the subdivision neighborhoods 109 00:05:31,670 --> 00:05:29,400 that are right adjacent to it or at 110 00:05:33,260 --> 00:05:31,680 least people reporting UFOs and I 111 00:05:34,580 --> 00:05:33,270 remember talking to a couple UFO 112 00:05:36,350 --> 00:05:34,590 investigators about it and we were just 113 00:05:38,780 --> 00:05:36,360 trying to figure out why the 114 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:38,790 concentration of sightings on that on 115 00:05:43,850 --> 00:05:41,850 that major highway and they some people 116 00:05:47,750 --> 00:05:43,860 came some somebody killed the idea that 117 00:05:49,820 --> 00:05:47,760 maybe they just follow the road guess 118 00:05:52,610 --> 00:05:49,830 all that one it's just it's highly 119 00:05:56,540 --> 00:05:52,620 unusual I've actually done some sky 120 00:05:58,850 --> 00:05:56,550 fishing in Sacramento that exactly it's 121 00:06:00,800 --> 00:05:58,860 where you have a high concentration of 122 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:00,810 sightings that people are reporting so 123 00:06:06,140 --> 00:06:02,310 he is kind of like fishing you set up 124 00:06:07,940 --> 00:06:06,150 cameras you plug it into a wall make 125 00:06:10,940 --> 00:06:07,950 sure that and then you just change tapes 126 00:06:15,770 --> 00:06:10,950 out back in the day where I was using 127 00:06:17,540 --> 00:06:15,780 tapes okay and then after that you go 128 00:06:19,910 --> 00:06:17,550 through the tedious process of going 129 00:06:22,220 --> 00:06:19,920 through it and screening it I don't 130 00:06:23,810 --> 00:06:22,230 think you see if you caught anything you 131 00:06:25,940 --> 00:06:23,820 know you may you may not see something 132 00:06:29,270 --> 00:06:25,950 with the eye naked eye but you might see 133 00:06:32,630 --> 00:06:29,280 it on film is that kind of yeah well our 134 00:06:35,180 --> 00:06:32,640 or you can walk away I see yeah baby 135 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:35,190 kind of boring you know just to theory 136 00:06:40,910 --> 00:06:38,850 but it's the hunt right yeah 137 00:06:42,980 --> 00:06:40,920 I initially kind of learned from doing 138 00:06:45,710 --> 00:06:42,990 all this because I was kind of a noob 139 00:06:47,750 --> 00:06:45,720 investigator back then an insect might 140 00:06:49,490 --> 00:06:47,760 fly up in front of your camera yeah it's 141 00:06:51,380 --> 00:06:49,500 not focused right it looks like it's far 142 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:51,390 away and it looks like it's hovering so 143 00:06:55,970 --> 00:06:52,650 you kind of learn it was a learning 144 00:07:00,230 --> 00:06:55,980 process for me to do that I did that for 145 00:07:01,350 --> 00:07:00,240 about four or five months and I and I've 146 00:07:04,589 --> 00:07:01,360 caught 147 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:04,599 a couple of strange things that that 148 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:07,810 made me think wow you know these things 149 00:07:13,050 --> 00:07:09,550 are up here all the time we're just we 150 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:13,060 never look up and we're always looking 151 00:07:18,149 --> 00:07:16,150 down at our phones and stuff but you 152 00:07:20,369 --> 00:07:18,159 know I thought of I have these kind of 153 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:20,379 weird thoughts sometimes I can't help it 154 00:07:26,129 --> 00:07:23,770 but like I I have a observation deck at 155 00:07:27,770 --> 00:07:26,139 my house in a telescope and I go out 156 00:07:30,059 --> 00:07:27,780 there every once in a while and and 157 00:07:32,249 --> 00:07:30,069 sometimes I you know sit on the chair 158 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:32,259 and just look out it's overlooking the 159 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:33,370 mountains and everything but at night 160 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:35,590 you know just see I can see the Milky 161 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:37,300 Way it's a really a clear sky where I am 162 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:41,680 in Maine and I sometimes think I wonder 163 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:43,810 what is the weirdest thing in time 164 00:07:47,670 --> 00:07:45,610 that's gone over here you know I mean 165 00:07:51,570 --> 00:07:47,680 because I'm just there little teeny 166 00:07:53,309 --> 00:07:51,580 fraction of a moment you know and but if 167 00:07:55,159 --> 00:07:53,319 you were a station out there every 168 00:07:57,649 --> 00:07:55,169 single night you know what would you see 169 00:08:00,420 --> 00:07:57,659 you'd probably see something unusual 170 00:08:03,269 --> 00:08:00,430 because you know there have in my area 171 00:08:05,459 --> 00:08:03,279 there have been some sightings and I 172 00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:05,469 haven't seen anything here but a 173 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:08,560 neighbor said they saw a triangle you 174 00:08:12,629 --> 00:08:10,750 know fly over and they said it was small 175 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:12,639 but it was definitely a triangle you 176 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:14,409 know it was small because it was so high 177 00:08:19,740 --> 00:08:17,289 they thought that it I don't know 178 00:08:23,369 --> 00:08:19,750 as far as sightings there are some in my 179 00:08:24,930 --> 00:08:23,379 area but so did you actually I know 180 00:08:27,779 --> 00:08:24,940 where I would really like to talk about 181 00:08:32,149 --> 00:08:27,789 your childhood sighting when you were 16 182 00:08:34,469 --> 00:08:32,159 but when you were in the Sacramento area 183 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:34,479 and you were doing this filming did you 184 00:08:39,839 --> 00:08:37,120 actually have sightings as well or just 185 00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:39,849 things you found on film sightings in 186 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:42,880 and caught some things on film that are 187 00:08:53,579 --> 00:08:48,310 not explosive but I actually uh during 188 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:53,589 to think it was year 2007 I don't know 189 00:08:57,389 --> 00:08:55,240 what was going on that year but I would 190 00:09:00,800 --> 00:08:57,399 call that the year UFOs during my time 191 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:00,810 at MUFON sightings were off the hook I 192 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:03,370 was seeing strange things I was out 193 00:09:07,319 --> 00:09:04,810 there you know you're out there trying 194 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:07,329 to catch it and I'm and I've actually 195 00:09:13,410 --> 00:09:09,910 had actually it wasn't in my place rose 196 00:09:14,350 --> 00:09:13,420 sky fishing I was on a case and this guy 197 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:14,360 kept 198 00:09:19,930 --> 00:09:16,570 it was in the Laguna area it's a South 199 00:09:22,150 --> 00:09:19,940 part of Sacramento and he kept saying he 200 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:22,160 was reaching these UFOs every day and he 201 00:09:25,540 --> 00:09:23,930 was catching them on film and some of 202 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:25,550 the stuff he had seemed very interesting 203 00:09:29,380 --> 00:09:28,130 some of it was kind of questionable you 204 00:09:33,130 --> 00:09:29,390 can't really tell what it was 205 00:09:38,980 --> 00:09:33,140 so I went over to his house and set up 206 00:09:40,630 --> 00:09:38,990 my own cameras in his backyard and we 207 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:40,640 were out there talking trying to see if 208 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:43,490 anything I never noticed it until I took 209 00:09:48,310 --> 00:09:46,490 the video footage home but there's a 210 00:09:50,050 --> 00:09:48,320 there was like this saucer it looked 211 00:09:52,090 --> 00:09:50,060 like to pie plate being like a pie plate 212 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:52,100 stacked on top of each other 213 00:09:58,079 --> 00:09:55,850 zipped right into the view and when it 214 00:10:00,850 --> 00:09:58,089 it just goes like this zip and then 215 00:10:02,980 --> 00:10:00,860 disappears right when you slow it down 216 00:10:05,470 --> 00:10:02,990 and you look at it you could see it 217 00:10:07,389 --> 00:10:05,480 going like this while it's moving I mean 218 00:10:09,819 --> 00:10:07,399 it's like so fast but it almost looks 219 00:10:13,090 --> 00:10:09,829 like it's arriving a wave Wow when you 220 00:10:14,889 --> 00:10:13,100 slowed it down and it stopped and even 221 00:10:16,780 --> 00:10:14,899 when i zoom back out on the camera you 222 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:16,790 can still see the object out there as a 223 00:10:21,370 --> 00:10:19,190 dot and when i zoom back in but the 224 00:10:24,850 --> 00:10:21,380 crazy thing about it is I never noticed 225 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:24,860 it was there neither did he very silver 226 00:10:28,090 --> 00:10:26,690 metallic like what's the stuff do you 227 00:10:32,199 --> 00:10:28,100 see it most those videos you see in 228 00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:32,209 Mexico and uh that was pretty 229 00:10:35,170 --> 00:10:33,440 interesting when you're out there doing 230 00:10:37,269 --> 00:10:35,180 something and you catch something the 231 00:10:39,250 --> 00:10:37,279 Chivo even notice that it was there I 232 00:10:41,650 --> 00:10:39,260 was well I was always kind of curious 233 00:10:43,780 --> 00:10:41,660 did they know that we were out there 234 00:10:46,439 --> 00:10:43,790 trying to find them or does this happen 235 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:46,449 all the time in this area so you want to 236 00:10:51,550 --> 00:10:49,040 spend more time setting up more cameras 237 00:10:53,290 --> 00:10:51,560 and see if you can catch more but I was 238 00:10:55,660 --> 00:10:53,300 a dead end but I did catch something 239 00:10:58,150 --> 00:10:55,670 very strange at the guys house Wow I 240 00:11:01,360 --> 00:10:58,160 don't ya know there's a there's a lot of 241 00:11:04,540 --> 00:11:01,370 people working on UFO detection and you 242 00:11:06,550 --> 00:11:04,550 know that stationary cameras and with 243 00:11:09,639 --> 00:11:06,560 other equipment to you know take 244 00:11:12,340 --> 00:11:09,649 readings and I know Chris O'Brien has 245 00:11:15,790 --> 00:11:12,350 something in the works then there's of 246 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:15,800 course mark D Antonio working on 247 00:11:20,590 --> 00:11:18,320 something so hopefully something will 248 00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:20,600 happen and I know there's also that 249 00:11:24,370 --> 00:11:22,160 computer program that anyone can 250 00:11:28,009 --> 00:11:24,380 download and I forget exactly the name 251 00:11:31,369 --> 00:11:28,019 of that where you can basically set 252 00:11:33,530 --> 00:11:31,379 your your camera to the your your webcam 253 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:33,540 I don't know I've heard something about 254 00:11:41,299 --> 00:11:36,410 that now Honduras was talking about it 255 00:11:42,949 --> 00:11:41,309 and as far as the sighting I had was 256 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:42,959 actually in California that got me 257 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:46,889 interested into this whole topic and it 258 00:11:51,139 --> 00:11:48,569 was 2006 259 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:51,149 you know I say that but I'm I was 260 00:11:55,340 --> 00:11:53,730 working a lot if I can get the date I 261 00:11:57,499 --> 00:11:55,350 mean it would be hard to believe if I 262 00:11:59,569 --> 00:11:57,509 got the date wrong if it could be 2007 263 00:12:01,900 --> 00:11:59,579 but I was doing a lot of work in the 264 00:12:05,090 --> 00:12:01,910 Carmel Valley area and I was actually 265 00:12:08,210 --> 00:12:05,100 relaxing in Carmel Valley Valley at a 266 00:12:11,049 --> 00:12:08,220 neighbor's ranch and had a disc come 267 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:11,059 right over me with like a blue glow and 268 00:12:17,660 --> 00:12:13,769 basically stopped and then then moved 269 00:12:19,489 --> 00:12:17,670 off toward Monterey and I called the 270 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:19,499 police department because I didn't know 271 00:12:24,769 --> 00:12:22,110 I had absolutely no idea that there was 272 00:12:26,989 --> 00:12:24,779 a place online you could go and and 273 00:12:30,289 --> 00:12:26,999 report something so I called the police 274 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:30,299 department they put me on hold and the 275 00:12:35,179 --> 00:12:32,610 woman was real sarcastic and I basically 276 00:12:38,389 --> 00:12:35,189 hung up 15 minutes later I didn't wait 277 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:38,399 any longer so but that my sighting is 278 00:12:44,090 --> 00:12:40,970 kind of bland but it's definitely 279 00:12:46,220 --> 00:12:44,100 unexplainable you know I mean I just was 280 00:12:48,499 --> 00:12:46,230 looking up and I've said this a number 281 00:12:50,019 --> 00:12:48,509 of times I want to talk about it the 282 00:12:52,999 --> 00:12:50,029 most 283 00:12:55,939 --> 00:12:53,009 let's see bizarre thing I could say 284 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:55,949 about that sighting at the time was wow 285 00:13:00,019 --> 00:12:57,689 this thing is moving there's absolutely 286 00:13:01,660 --> 00:13:00,029 no noise and I didn't know that was part 287 00:13:04,489 --> 00:13:01,670 of what a lot of other people would 288 00:13:06,590 --> 00:13:04,499 would say to until I started looking 289 00:13:09,530 --> 00:13:06,600 into it and I go wow so it's not unusual 290 00:13:12,859 --> 00:13:09,540 there was no noise so yeah their 291 00:13:15,710 --> 00:13:12,869 propulsion whatever it is that we're 292 00:13:18,769 --> 00:13:15,720 seeing their propulsion is hard to 293 00:13:20,869 --> 00:13:18,779 imagine what it is if you know even if 294 00:13:23,809 --> 00:13:20,879 it's not something else you know some 295 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:23,819 people think it's something we haven't 296 00:13:27,859 --> 00:13:25,410 thought of yet you know that we're 297 00:13:32,030 --> 00:13:27,869 actually seeing who knows yeah I thought 298 00:13:34,249 --> 00:13:32,040 that option 2 yeah yeah so let's see we 299 00:13:37,699 --> 00:13:34,259 have we're gonna be taking a break in a 300 00:13:39,079 --> 00:13:37,709 little while here but can you we're 301 00:13:41,510 --> 00:13:39,089 about halfway through the first segment 302 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:41,520 can you talk about your 303 00:13:47,420 --> 00:13:44,550 childhood sighting because I I listen I 304 00:13:48,350 --> 00:13:47,430 listen to it on another show and it's 305 00:13:52,060 --> 00:13:48,360 really fascinating 306 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:52,070 oh yeah sure it was March 2 20th 1996 307 00:13:57,020 --> 00:13:54,570 I'll never forget that date the rest of 308 00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:57,030 my life and that life-changing I was 309 00:14:01,730 --> 00:13:59,040 walking over to a friend's house it was 310 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:01,740 spring break and I was 16 at the time 311 00:14:05,690 --> 00:14:04,170 but my buddy had had a license in a 312 00:14:09,380 --> 00:14:05,700 pickup truck so we were going to go down 313 00:14:11,330 --> 00:14:09,390 to the beach and do what everybody does 314 00:14:13,550 --> 00:14:11,340 on spring break in Texas the South Padre 315 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:13,560 Island that's where everybody goes but 316 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:14,850 anyway just to say that didn't happen 317 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:17,250 because this UFO screwed up the whole 318 00:14:22,430 --> 00:14:20,100 spring break vacation was going nowhere 319 00:14:23,810 --> 00:14:22,440 but so I was walking through the 320 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:23,820 neighborhood and I came around a corner 321 00:14:29,390 --> 00:14:25,530 and there's about three o'clock in the 322 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:29,400 afternoon so the sun's like kind of in 323 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:31,380 this direction and I looked up and there 324 00:14:36,890 --> 00:14:32,940 was this object that was under the Sun 325 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:36,900 it was bright I could sketch it and draw 326 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:38,970 it for you but it's basically oval shape 327 00:14:44,180 --> 00:14:40,650 like this and it had these things coming 328 00:14:46,190 --> 00:14:44,190 out so I stood there for about five 329 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:46,200 minutes it was a long five minutes 330 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:48,330 trying to figure out what this was and I 331 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:50,130 couldn't figure out what it was it was 332 00:14:53,780 --> 00:14:51,570 about a hundred feet off the ground so I 333 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:53,790 got a pretty good look at it 334 00:14:57,290 --> 00:14:55,770 it's just when I was following - leaving 335 00:14:58,850 --> 00:14:57,300 the edge of the lines it was becoming 336 00:14:59,830 --> 00:14:58,860 more transparent so it was almost like 337 00:15:02,360 --> 00:14:59,840 it was invisible 338 00:15:04,430 --> 00:15:02,370 the best way I can describe is like if 339 00:15:06,020 --> 00:15:04,440 you're if you see the sunlight hit the 340 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:06,030 chrome of your bumper you know when 341 00:15:09,140 --> 00:15:07,410 you're walking in the parking lot how it 342 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:09,150 follows you yeah it looks that's how 343 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:11,370 bright it was it was brighter than the 344 00:15:16,580 --> 00:15:13,410 Sun but it didn't hurt your eyes to look 345 00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:16,590 at it got strange that is uh-oh I said 346 00:15:20,540 --> 00:15:18,060 you know this is highly unusual I'm 347 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:20,550 gonna get a grown-up to tell me what 348 00:15:24,020 --> 00:15:22,470 this is I can go on about my day 349 00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:24,030 so I started ringing doorbells getting 350 00:15:28,310 --> 00:15:26,160 people out of the house 351 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:28,320 the first neighbor I never met him 352 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:31,910 before is that is his name is dick guns 353 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:34,650 he came out I didn't have a shirt on and 354 00:15:38,300 --> 00:15:36,450 I said I introduced myself and I saw hi 355 00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:38,310 my name is Jeremy ray I'm your neighbor 356 00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:40,320 down the street blood boil he's like 357 00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:41,910 yeah yeah saying you moved the yard I 358 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:43,440 see yeah well I was just walking through 359 00:15:46,910 --> 00:15:44,970 I'm sorry Bobby but I was just walking 360 00:15:48,860 --> 00:15:46,920 through and I see a strange thing and I 361 00:15:51,020 --> 00:15:48,870 can't I can't figure out what it is and 362 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:51,030 I pointed to it he interrupts me goes oh 363 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:53,310 my god and then goes back inside and 364 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:55,530 closed the door and I was like 365 00:15:58,940 --> 00:15:57,090 that was saying that's a little 366 00:16:00,380 --> 00:15:58,950 eccentric I'll go I'll go ringing 367 00:16:03,170 --> 00:16:00,390 another doorbell I'll get somebody out 368 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:03,180 here to talk to me so I walk I start to 369 00:16:07,190 --> 00:16:04,890 leave his yard and he comes out with 370 00:16:08,390 --> 00:16:07,200 clothes on and he's got a camera and his 371 00:16:10,460 --> 00:16:08,400 wife's with them and they're grabbing 372 00:16:12,410 --> 00:16:10,470 sunglasses so I mean he just looked at 373 00:16:15,590 --> 00:16:12,420 the object and went oh my god and then 374 00:16:17,750 --> 00:16:15,600 yeah three went in so I started thinking 375 00:16:19,610 --> 00:16:17,760 well you know they've been on this 376 00:16:22,490 --> 00:16:19,620 planet longer than me they'll tell me 377 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:22,500 what this is what is this and basically 378 00:16:26,570 --> 00:16:24,180 he was eat I said do you know what this 379 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:26,580 is and he's shaking his head he goes no 380 00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:27,930 I don't know what this is but whatever 381 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:30,480 this is is very very special Jeremy and 382 00:16:36,020 --> 00:16:32,930 we're gonna try to get a picture of it 383 00:16:38,630 --> 00:16:36,030 it's kind of interesting so I've got 384 00:16:41,150 --> 00:16:38,640 some grown-ups now freaking out and I'm 385 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:41,160 the one that's being calm usually don't 386 00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:43,290 see things like this so I'm just 387 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:45,630 standing there and he's winding up this 388 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:47,370 little camera it's like a disposable 389 00:16:50,390 --> 00:16:49,050 camera that we used to G stand by the 390 00:16:53,690 --> 00:16:50,400 store I think they still sell those 391 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:53,700 things those kodak disposable oh yes how 392 00:16:58,430 --> 00:16:55,530 much time do I have on the clock oh yeah 393 00:16:59,930 --> 00:16:58,440 we got plenty of time okay so anyway he 394 00:17:02,630 --> 00:16:59,940 goes up to take the picture the first 395 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:02,640 picture but before Owen let me back up 396 00:17:08,540 --> 00:17:05,610 before he did I started to walk forward 397 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:08,550 the object started to back up and he 398 00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:10,230 said that oh hey it's moving it's moving 399 00:17:15,770 --> 00:17:12,240 it's moving and I found that interesting 400 00:17:17,809 --> 00:17:15,780 so I backed up and the object started 401 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:17,819 coming forward and when I moved across 402 00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:19,439 the street it followed me across the 403 00:17:22,910 --> 00:17:21,120 street and when I moved back over to 404 00:17:25,069 --> 00:17:22,920 dick it followed me right over the dick 405 00:17:26,660 --> 00:17:25,079 so dick was like just be still so we get 406 00:17:28,550 --> 00:17:26,670 a picture as soon as he brought the 407 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:28,560 camera back up to take a picture the 408 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:30,810 object is the Sun and here's the object 409 00:17:35,780 --> 00:17:34,530 right it floated it went up into the Sun 410 00:17:38,030 --> 00:17:35,790 to where we couldn't get a picture I 411 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:38,040 could see the leading leading things 412 00:17:41,330 --> 00:17:39,450 going like this but you couldn't see the 413 00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:41,340 main object so I thought it was gonna 414 00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:42,960 leave and I said dick put the camera 415 00:17:46,790 --> 00:17:44,430 down and as soon as he brought it down 416 00:17:48,410 --> 00:17:46,800 to side the object dropped back to the 417 00:17:51,380 --> 00:17:48,420 original position of where it was that 418 00:17:53,660 --> 00:17:51,390 by that time we knew who was under some 419 00:17:56,030 --> 00:17:53,670 kind of intelligent control and so we 420 00:17:57,470 --> 00:17:56,040 were all set standing there gaping and I 421 00:18:01,400 --> 00:17:57,480 was thinking you know I need to get more 422 00:18:03,860 --> 00:18:01,410 eyewitnesses so I went over I flanked it 423 00:18:05,900 --> 00:18:03,870 I ran around the back side actually I 424 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:05,910 tried to back up so the object would go 425 00:18:09,260 --> 00:18:07,710 over them so they could look up to see 426 00:18:11,660 --> 00:18:09,270 what it was but 427 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:11,670 stop before it went over them well 428 00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:13,470 that's like so they were standing here I 429 00:18:17,060 --> 00:18:15,630 backed up it was following me but then 430 00:18:17,780 --> 00:18:17,070 it stopped it never would go over 431 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:17,790 anybody 432 00:18:23,870 --> 00:18:21,210 so that's when I flanked around and ring 433 00:18:26,660 --> 00:18:23,880 mrs. lab wicks doorbell and she came out 434 00:18:29,420 --> 00:18:26,670 and I said you're not gonna believe this 435 00:18:30,650 --> 00:18:29,430 but we all know what this is and I think 436 00:18:32,090 --> 00:18:30,660 we think it it's a UFO 437 00:18:33,950 --> 00:18:32,100 we've been at keep in mind we've been 438 00:18:36,770 --> 00:18:33,960 out here for about 15 minutes watching 439 00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:36,780 this thing it's amazing that long that 440 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:38,880 long yeah three o'clock in the afternoon 441 00:18:41,810 --> 00:18:41,010 busy day there were cars driving through 442 00:18:43,910 --> 00:18:41,820 the neighborhood 443 00:18:45,380 --> 00:18:43,920 I remember tapping on someone's they 444 00:18:47,210 --> 00:18:45,390 slow down wondering why people are in 445 00:18:48,830 --> 00:18:47,220 the road I'm everything I said look up 446 00:18:50,210 --> 00:18:48,840 look up and then ladies just looking at 447 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:50,220 me like I'm crazy like what's wrong with 448 00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:52,770 this kid don't let even look up it was 449 00:18:55,580 --> 00:18:54,300 just right there but I think I had two 450 00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:55,590 cars go through the neighborhood during 451 00:19:02,540 --> 00:18:59,600 that time but yeah she miss lavich 452 00:19:04,730 --> 00:19:02,550 totally went freaked out said oh my god 453 00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:04,740 and walked straight towards the UFO and 454 00:19:09,980 --> 00:19:07,140 she got under it and when she did that's 455 00:19:12,140 --> 00:19:09,990 when it took off and really now you talk 456 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:12,150 about being quiet right I want to add 457 00:19:16,730 --> 00:19:13,530 the quiet part to it there was 458 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:16,740 absolutely no sound but also how fast it 459 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:19,290 took off and there was no wind 460 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:22,170 there was no bursts to knock us down it 461 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:25,530 was a best way describe it is I know 462 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:26,910 it's hard to tell how big this object 463 00:19:32,030 --> 00:19:30,450 was because but if you had like a rubber 464 00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:32,040 band and I held the other hand and we 465 00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:34,200 let go of it yeah that's what it looked 466 00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:35,880 like it looked like it folded upon 467 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,360 itself but it basically was a white 468 00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:41,760 thing like this and it had lines but 469 00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:43,200 then all of a sudden when it took off 470 00:19:47,660 --> 00:19:45,600 and went purple pink and blue and it 471 00:19:49,580 --> 00:19:47,670 looked like scales of a snake you know 472 00:19:51,380 --> 00:19:49,590 like snakes have skills and that was all 473 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:51,390 lightened up really pretty colors but it 474 00:19:56,090 --> 00:19:54,210 was so quick and then it just collapsed 475 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:56,100 on it and I remember when it lit up it 476 00:20:01,700 --> 00:19:58,650 got real bright everybody shadows got 477 00:20:02,750 --> 00:20:01,710 dark I mean it was like a big flash and 478 00:20:07,070 --> 00:20:02,760 then it was gone 479 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:07,080 no and no sound nothing and we were like 480 00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:11,010 just stunned and how many were there 481 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:13,470 total out there was it just it was mr. 482 00:20:17,540 --> 00:20:15,810 Slovak his daughter her daughter but 483 00:20:19,820 --> 00:20:17,550 retarder was kind of young and went back 484 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:19,830 inside you know probably didn't want to 485 00:20:22,810 --> 00:20:21,810 hang out with the grown-ups dick and his 486 00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:22,820 wife and me 487 00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:27,430 so Wow so five altogether and when that 488 00:20:33,670 --> 00:20:31,910 excuse me when that it sounds like it 489 00:20:36,820 --> 00:20:33,680 was like morphing or something I mean it 490 00:20:38,770 --> 00:20:36,830 just sounds like actually did you 491 00:20:42,250 --> 00:20:38,780 actually see it going a direction or did 492 00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:42,260 it disappear it was so fast it was 493 00:20:47,940 --> 00:20:45,200 disappeared but it could have went in 494 00:20:51,130 --> 00:20:47,950 the direction it looked like it was 495 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:51,140 taken off I don't know how but it also 496 00:20:56,140 --> 00:20:53,630 took off so fast that it looked like it 497 00:20:59,080 --> 00:20:56,150 collapsed on itself so if you're looking 498 00:21:01,180 --> 00:20:59,090 at an object let's say like up in space 499 00:21:03,010 --> 00:21:01,190 that's like the square and then it are 500 00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:03,020 up in the sky and it takes off the space 501 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:04,640 and its really bright it's just gonna 502 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:08,090 look like it got small yeah it's so 503 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:10,610 quick and that's I don't know if they 504 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:12,170 cloaked realized something was wrong 505 00:21:16,450 --> 00:21:14,210 with its cloaking and cloak the ship 506 00:21:18,580 --> 00:21:16,460 right there in front of us or just went 507 00:21:21,490 --> 00:21:18,590 invisible which would explain why we 508 00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:21,500 didn't get knocked back but it there was 509 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:23,000 no noise but it looked like a flash of 510 00:21:27,850 --> 00:21:25,130 lightning is how bright it was and it 511 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:27,860 was gone now but i'm christian purple 512 00:21:33,820 --> 00:21:29,810 pink and blue in those skills like it 513 00:21:36,210 --> 00:21:33,830 went it's like going look way Wow when 514 00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:36,220 you said it looked like I had strings 515 00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,870 hanging out what what exactly can you 516 00:21:43,450 --> 00:21:40,400 try to describe that a little bit better 517 00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:43,460 so if I had an object like this and 518 00:21:46,690 --> 00:21:44,780 there was a string attached to another 519 00:21:48,700 --> 00:21:46,700 string and we tightened it you know what 520 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:48,710 I mean that's what it looked like except 521 00:21:53,370 --> 00:21:51,170 it wasn't strings it was more like like 522 00:21:56,290 --> 00:21:53,380 a laser beam or just a beam of light 523 00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,300 that slowly started to become more 524 00:22:01,450 --> 00:21:58,880 transparent at the leading edge I see I 525 00:22:02,830 --> 00:22:01,460 just called it strings because that was 526 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:02,840 that was that's what I called it as a 527 00:22:07,210 --> 00:22:04,370 kid I was trying to figure out what that 528 00:22:09,730 --> 00:22:07,220 was but it was it almost to me looked 529 00:22:11,860 --> 00:22:09,740 like whatever was that was up there was 530 00:22:13,930 --> 00:22:11,870 partially invisible and the Sun was 531 00:22:17,230 --> 00:22:13,940 hitting object just right that we were 532 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:17,240 able to see part of the craft that could 533 00:22:21,610 --> 00:22:19,130 have been what I was seeing it was 534 00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:21,620 cloaked but for some reason I was able 535 00:22:27,940 --> 00:22:24,500 to see it that's that's what I think and 536 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:27,950 then they so what was everyone else's 537 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:30,290 reaction like that was watching I mean 538 00:22:35,490 --> 00:22:33,170 huh well I will I 539 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:35,500 I was so amped up I ran 540 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:39,450 to find my mother what and I called my 541 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:41,770 grandmother say find my mom it's an 542 00:22:46,650 --> 00:22:44,170 emergency didn't have cell phones back 543 00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,660 then yeah mom came home with an uncle 544 00:22:50,700 --> 00:22:48,400 that we haven't seen or I've never met 545 00:22:53,010 --> 00:22:50,710 before so we had company at the house 546 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:53,020 and I stormed in there I go mommy not 547 00:22:56,130 --> 00:22:53,890 complete what happened 548 00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,140 blah blah blah about the UFO and I 549 00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,760 remember her drinking coffee and going 550 00:23:03,150 --> 00:23:00,400 that's great son that's wonderful and 551 00:23:04,650 --> 00:23:03,160 she continued on to talk to my uncle and 552 00:23:07,770 --> 00:23:04,660 I think that's the probably the first 553 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:07,780 bad word I ever said in the house at 554 00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:09,850 that age but I remember saying how much 555 00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,260 coffee he got mom and she goes I've got 556 00:23:18,570 --> 00:23:13,600 a whole pot I go good don't blank and 557 00:23:20,370 --> 00:23:18,580 drink it and then I left and I remember 558 00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:20,380 her saying get back here get back here 559 00:23:23,490 --> 00:23:21,760 because I knew I was in trouble but I 560 00:23:25,260 --> 00:23:23,500 needed to get her attention yeah so it 561 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:25,270 over and got my neighbors I said y'all 562 00:23:28,590 --> 00:23:26,410 gotta come over and tell my mom she 563 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:28,600 didn't believe this you know she doesn't 564 00:23:33,060 --> 00:23:30,730 she just bullied me off and they go sure 565 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:33,070 now keep in mind my mom never met these 566 00:23:38,430 --> 00:23:35,290 neighbors this is about 12 houses down 567 00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:38,440 the street so I invited mrs. lab wake 568 00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:40,000 and dick inside a house now I remember 569 00:23:43,530 --> 00:23:41,830 the awkward moment of my mom talking to 570 00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,540 my uncle and then kind of caught off 571 00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:45,520 guard we got company anyhow hi how you 572 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:47,620 doing and then there was an eerie moment 573 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:51,370 of silence awkwardness yeah no one was 574 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:53,290 talking and I remember I was pouring 575 00:23:56,340 --> 00:23:55,690 coffee you know and I was like tell them 576 00:23:58,980 --> 00:23:56,350 what happened 577 00:24:02,880 --> 00:23:58,990 so they both told my mother and I think 578 00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:02,890 my mother was in denial at the time but 579 00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:05,260 it was so good had eyewitnesses nobody 580 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:07,480 would ever believe me you know kid 581 00:24:10,350 --> 00:24:08,890 rather than you know and I've never made 582 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:10,360 up stories like that anyway I just 583 00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:12,370 couldn't believe that my mother would 584 00:24:15,870 --> 00:24:13,990 blow me off when I'm panicking like that 585 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:15,880 I think I don't know what she was 586 00:24:21,650 --> 00:24:18,190 thinking at the time so he told she did 587 00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:21,660 she ever believed them too or did she 588 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:24,340 really when they came in yeah they were 589 00:24:27,390 --> 00:24:25,570 damn and you've got two different 590 00:24:30,420 --> 00:24:27,400 neighbors come in yes I was with them 591 00:24:31,890 --> 00:24:30,430 and they were more stunned like me but 592 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:31,900 you knew something was up she said she 593 00:24:37,710 --> 00:24:35,650 was disturbed by it not because believe 594 00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:37,720 in UFOs just the fact is what if that 595 00:24:41,730 --> 00:24:39,910 thing could have taken her son yeah I 596 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:41,740 remember saying that to me like my baby 597 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:43,450 what if it did something you know so she 598 00:24:49,410 --> 00:24:48,010 was more concerned on a safety issue but 599 00:24:53,250 --> 00:24:49,420 yeah it was such a life 600 00:24:56,340 --> 00:24:53,260 an event that even to this day we still 601 00:24:58,590 --> 00:24:56,350 talk about it if when I talk at bump or 602 00:25:03,330 --> 00:24:58,600 I go home the neighbors want to rekindle 603 00:25:05,730 --> 00:25:03,340 the old memories of that day so yeah did 604 00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:05,740 anyone call like a newspaper or anything 605 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:11,400 like that yes I think it's mr. guns 606 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:15,010 spelled the G but could be John but 607 00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:16,930 missed the dicks dick called the weather 608 00:25:23,220 --> 00:25:20,710 company and called called around calls 609 00:25:28,350 --> 00:25:23,230 the newspaper this is when things get 610 00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:28,360 strange oh yes it's better but this but 611 00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,960 so anyway he took two photographs okay 612 00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:34,000 and I saw both of them and I have a copy 613 00:25:38,460 --> 00:25:36,190 of a copy of it where it's the blue sky 614 00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:38,470 and it's like it's like this and then 615 00:25:42,270 --> 00:25:39,940 there was one right over miss Labatt's 616 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:42,280 house where you can see the object right 617 00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,810 above it you can get a good distance 618 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:46,000 it's right above the tree line Wow we've 619 00:25:51,420 --> 00:25:48,490 had to though he had to those pictures I 620 00:25:53,460 --> 00:25:51,430 had one of them so the next day he went 621 00:25:54,930 --> 00:25:53,470 developed the film and then I had a copy 622 00:25:57,210 --> 00:25:54,940 of the picture the next day and I 623 00:25:58,530 --> 00:25:57,220 remember at 3 o'clock I went out there 624 00:26:00,330 --> 00:25:58,540 and they were out there sitting in the 625 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:00,340 lawn chairs so they were out there the 626 00:26:03,780 --> 00:26:02,050 next day at 3 o'clock because it was 627 00:26:07,620 --> 00:26:03,790 three o'clock they were looking for it 628 00:26:09,870 --> 00:26:07,630 in the back come back all right so I 629 00:26:12,170 --> 00:26:09,880 would say probably a month after that or 630 00:26:15,090 --> 00:26:12,180 a couple of months after this incident 631 00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:15,100 somebody broke into Dick's house and 632 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:16,840 they all they took was the whole stack 633 00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:18,220 of pictures because remember you get him 634 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:20,830 in a books yeah me that negatives his 635 00:26:26,490 --> 00:26:23,530 house was so organized they probably had 636 00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:26,500 OCD by the power 10 everything with 637 00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:28,600 dressed Brett dress all the books 638 00:26:31,770 --> 00:26:30,280 everything there was not one book 639 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:31,780 sticking out everything's per carpet 640 00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:34,570 clean it was just a very clean house I 641 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:36,430 believe in when he says he knew where he 642 00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:38,170 put it he put it in the top drawer and 643 00:26:43,170 --> 00:26:41,200 all the photos were gone I was really 644 00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:43,180 mad about that was anything else taken 645 00:26:48,990 --> 00:26:46,360 or just that just that well that's very 646 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:49,000 suspicious isn't it well this is where 647 00:26:53,460 --> 00:26:50,770 it gets weird mine disappeared around 648 00:26:56,850 --> 00:26:53,470 the same time too and that was gold to 649 00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:56,860 me gold okay my mother I thought my 650 00:27:01,050 --> 00:26:58,810 mother I'll never lay in it right there 651 00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:01,060 I have spot where I kept it I thought 652 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:02,830 maybe she threw it away and I 653 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:04,690 she never saw it it's just what I've 654 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:06,130 never seen it one day and then the next 655 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:08,049 day I didn't see it anymore I thought 656 00:27:12,180 --> 00:27:10,090 somebody moved it or put it somewhere 657 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,190 but it was the same week when dick had 658 00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:14,320 his house broken into my photo was 659 00:27:19,019 --> 00:27:16,360 missing too Wow even though I took it 660 00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:19,029 down to the mall back then when we had 661 00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:21,700 this photo place where they had color 662 00:27:27,570 --> 00:27:23,860 printers which was a big deal back then 663 00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:27,580 oh yeah I see many many many copies of 664 00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:29,980 it but I don't have the original anymore 665 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:32,799 well yeah well okay well look we'll 666 00:27:37,289 --> 00:27:34,330 continue to talk about that we're ready 667 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:37,299 to go on break so hang on everyone we'll 668 00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:41,769 be right back all right so we're back 669 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:45,220 I'm here with Jeremy ray and we're back 670 00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:48,370 on to talk about we were right in the 671 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:50,590 middle of talk about his very 672 00:27:54,810 --> 00:27:52,090 interesting sighting when he was 16 673 00:27:58,110 --> 00:27:54,820 years old back in 1996 and we're talking 674 00:28:00,720 --> 00:27:58,120 about the pictures going missing 675 00:28:03,629 --> 00:28:00,730 so Jeremy do you still have a copy of 676 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:03,639 that original picture you had of today 677 00:28:10,289 --> 00:28:07,090 it's yeah basically it's I mean it was a 678 00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,299 color printer picture I mean oh color 679 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:12,399 printer all those aren't very good I 680 00:28:19,649 --> 00:28:17,110 know it yeah and they fade - yes sir so 681 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:19,659 that was like back in 96 where I paid I 682 00:28:24,539 --> 00:28:21,850 went to this photo place and just Xerox 683 00:28:26,190 --> 00:28:24,549 did on there that's what I did and I 684 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:26,200 have a copy of it and actually gave a 685 00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:29,610 copy to dick many many years later 686 00:28:34,879 --> 00:28:32,710 because you know but what happened 687 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:34,889 around that time when the photos were 688 00:28:42,419 --> 00:28:39,490 taken supposedly stolen I was real upset 689 00:28:44,279 --> 00:28:42,429 about it and I went over there many 690 00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:44,289 times and asked I'll help you go through 691 00:28:48,779 --> 00:28:46,750 your house and look for it and I think 692 00:28:50,909 --> 00:28:48,789 the second time I went over there to 693 00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:50,919 push him let's tear up the house let's 694 00:28:55,289 --> 00:28:53,230 leave him find his stuff he snapped at 695 00:28:57,299 --> 00:28:55,299 me and said do not tell anybody about 696 00:28:59,070 --> 00:28:57,309 this ever again and I remember that was 697 00:29:00,720 --> 00:28:59,080 kind of uncalled for but I remember 698 00:29:03,659 --> 00:29:00,730 looking at his wife and she was head to 699 00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:03,669 stern look - so I had no idea but they 700 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:05,529 were they were scared and and upset 701 00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,490 about this 702 00:29:11,789 --> 00:29:08,320 they were probably scared that someone 703 00:29:13,049 --> 00:29:11,799 actually broke in possibly and took him 704 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:13,059 right I mean mmm 705 00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:16,510 yeah so they were to me it was me 706 00:29:22,289 --> 00:29:19,270 because I'm all energetic and all of a 707 00:29:23,789 --> 00:29:22,299 sudden you guys are scolding me and I'm 708 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:23,799 you know it's kind of like well are you 709 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:25,330 are you saying don't come around here no 710 00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,370 more what's going on yeah I understand 711 00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,679 well then I'm older that they probably 712 00:29:34,020 --> 00:29:31,840 thought in the beginning that told all 713 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:34,030 these people out there about it which I 714 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:35,410 didn't because every time I brought the 715 00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:36,850 story people would laugh no one would 716 00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:38,830 take it seriously well that's one of why 717 00:29:42,450 --> 00:29:41,230 I came to become a UFO investigator 718 00:29:44,669 --> 00:29:42,460 because I went around trying to find 719 00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:44,679 answers about this this object that 720 00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:47,350 nobody could explain to me what that is 721 00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:49,809 except with some stupid explanation and 722 00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:52,150 I knew it wasn't that that was a kite or 723 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:54,820 that was just uh you know people just 724 00:29:59,100 --> 00:29:56,890 make things up I know reflection of the 725 00:30:02,580 --> 00:29:59,110 Sun or something like that or did you 726 00:30:07,220 --> 00:30:02,590 hear it all yeah so but anyway back to 727 00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:07,230 that that we're a hop around too much I 728 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:10,120 what was the deal I thought that dick 729 00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:13,570 thought that that I talked too much that 730 00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:15,220 somebody neighborhood well we're gonna 731 00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:16,960 break in still the pictures that's what 732 00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:18,760 I was thinking but dick was talking 733 00:30:24,180 --> 00:30:20,620 about was he was thinking somebody 734 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:24,190 higher up maybe them because he thought 735 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:25,690 this is what he thought he thought that 736 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:27,730 that object up there came back and got 737 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:29,650 the pictures because I lost mine the 738 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:31,510 same time he lost his in the same time 739 00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:35,110 we live in two different houses and that 740 00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:37,270 was something I would not lose so that 741 00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:40,600 was his theory to me it's just a mystery 742 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:42,910 I I just don't think we would lose 743 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:45,610 something that important the same week I 744 00:30:51,390 --> 00:30:49,690 noticed that mine was missing I went 745 00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:51,400 over to talk to dick to ask if I can get 746 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:53,590 a copy of those negatives or give 747 00:30:57,299 --> 00:30:55,330 another one so maybe printed out doubles 748 00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:57,309 and he goes his was missing so he didn't 749 00:31:02,190 --> 00:30:59,140 even let me know about it but we did a 750 00:31:05,310 --> 00:31:02,200 phone call basis I'm just a kid that 751 00:31:09,570 --> 00:31:05,320 knock on the door but yeah that 752 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:09,580 definitely changed my life and I believe 753 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:12,130 in my heart I believe that that is so 754 00:31:16,350 --> 00:31:15,130 sad that I couldn't go around and talk 755 00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:16,360 about it because it was such a taboo 756 00:31:20,669 --> 00:31:18,790 subject there's immediately slam down 757 00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:20,679 and I live in a Bible Belt town so of 758 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:22,960 course it's gonna happen this is 1996 759 00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:25,330 people really didn't talk about it as 760 00:31:30,060 --> 00:31:27,820 much as we do now it's a little way more 761 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:30,070 open than it is now when 762 00:31:33,870 --> 00:31:31,810 growing up and that was kind of my 763 00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:33,880 little agenda I'm never saying when I 764 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:36,640 grow up become an adult I'm gonna 765 00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:38,170 educate the public on this subject 766 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:39,910 matter because it's more important than 767 00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:43,330 a reputation or you know it's more 768 00:31:47,220 --> 00:31:44,710 important we should all be able to talk 769 00:31:49,530 --> 00:31:47,230 about this freely and not being a taboo 770 00:31:50,730 --> 00:31:49,540 subject so we can learn from it try to 771 00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:50,740 figure out what this is 772 00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:52,840 now when you you mentioned earlier that 773 00:31:55,890 --> 00:31:54,460 they called the newspaper did the 774 00:32:02,220 --> 00:31:55,900 newspaper do anything did they publish 775 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:02,230 anything no no no sir so and I know 776 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:03,730 there were well of course 777 00:32:10,650 --> 00:32:08,170 MUFON was was you know since 1969 so 778 00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:10,660 that was around and but no one really 779 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:13,840 worried about the reporters yeah yeah we 780 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:16,810 didn't know what MUFON was I found out 781 00:32:21,420 --> 00:32:19,810 about MUFON back in about a year or two 782 00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:21,430 later I think it was too nervous 783 00:32:27,420 --> 00:32:25,000 actually nineteen probably here to later 784 00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:27,430 of MUFON person came to town to do a 785 00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:30,310 talk and someone said remembered that 786 00:32:33,930 --> 00:32:32,380 read had got Jeremy he saw a UFO and 787 00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:33,940 they told me hey that UFO people are 788 00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:37,630 coming so I went and met a woman named 789 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:40,390 Doris Upchurch Texas MUFON she's she's 790 00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:44,320 deceased now but a my shoulder drew the 791 00:32:50,370 --> 00:32:46,270 object described her told her it was no 792 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:50,380 sound and and that's basically you know 793 00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:51,970 it was nice to have someone to talk to 794 00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:53,350 you for the first time that actually 795 00:32:58,260 --> 00:32:55,000 would sit there and listen to me and 796 00:33:00,600 --> 00:32:58,270 take a seriously and I just wow this is 797 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:00,610 awesome I want to be a part of MUFON one 798 00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:04,330 of these days now can you imagine if you 799 00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:06,910 had no other witnesses how hard this 800 00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:08,710 would be for you I mean you you were 801 00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,080 lucky enough to have other witnesses but 802 00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:13,120 they were a lot older than you so it 803 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:15,190 must have been really hard when you were 804 00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:16,510 telling like your friends and people 805 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:18,910 your own age did they just always blow 806 00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:22,530 you off or did I had a good friend 807 00:33:28,260 --> 00:33:25,350 Wesley who I thought believed my story 808 00:33:29,850 --> 00:33:28,270 they didn't and one day we were walking 809 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:29,860 the neighborhood and I go that's him us 810 00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:32,050 talk to him and dicks like oh yeah it 811 00:33:37,290 --> 00:33:34,870 happened and just you know then he 812 00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:37,300 believed he was like oh my god it really 813 00:33:41,970 --> 00:33:38,860 did happen 814 00:33:43,259 --> 00:33:41,980 so he was just he was just like okay we 815 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:43,269 don't talking about it buddy 816 00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:45,610 he wasn't really believing it he's just 817 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:46,480 being a good friend 818 00:33:57,299 --> 00:33:52,090 yeah and if I didn't have any witnesses 819 00:34:00,060 --> 00:33:57,309 I don't know it would here's a good 820 00:34:02,669 --> 00:34:00,070 example I had another guy that in high 821 00:34:03,899 --> 00:34:02,679 school is a friend of mine he didn't 822 00:34:06,409 --> 00:34:03,909 believe me either but he never said it 823 00:34:09,210 --> 00:34:06,419 to my face until he saw me on hangar 1 824 00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:09,220 many many years ago on History Channel 825 00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:12,000 he was like I believe him now I believe 826 00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:14,919 that when he was 16 and now he's on a TV 827 00:34:18,930 --> 00:34:16,780 show talking about it and that was 828 00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:18,940 enough for him to believe so it's just 829 00:34:23,369 --> 00:34:21,790 people I mean if somebody told me I saw 830 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:23,379 a leprechaun running across the street I 831 00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:26,050 mean really a Myka it's just as 832 00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:28,419 unbelievable as that to these people 833 00:34:33,329 --> 00:34:30,760 yeah yeah like I can't blame them you 834 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:33,339 can't you know seeing is believing right 835 00:34:39,419 --> 00:34:36,330 I just always just remember because I 836 00:34:40,889 --> 00:34:39,429 believed that it was important and I 837 00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:40,899 didn't care what people thought of me 838 00:34:45,450 --> 00:34:42,220 I thought the information was more 839 00:34:47,849 --> 00:34:45,460 important so as you as you had gotten 840 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:47,859 older and you started was it in Texas 841 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:49,810 where you first joined MUFON or where 842 00:34:54,089 --> 00:34:50,409 were you 843 00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:54,099 no I I joined the military I got older 844 00:34:56,940 --> 00:34:55,089 and joined the military 845 00:34:59,220 --> 00:34:56,950 mm-hmm I had another sighting when I was 846 00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,230 in combat oh I want to talk about that 847 00:35:04,589 --> 00:35:02,320 but I'll continue on this further yeah 848 00:35:06,540 --> 00:35:04,599 but they answer your question after I 849 00:35:09,089 --> 00:35:06,550 got out of the military I moved up to 850 00:35:11,790 --> 00:35:09,099 California and when I was going to 851 00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:11,800 college and I'm sitting there in class 852 00:35:14,490 --> 00:35:13,300 this is when I hit I'm sitting here in 853 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:14,500 class I think it was my second semester 854 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:17,710 in college now I'm like I don't want to 855 00:35:22,740 --> 00:35:20,530 do this you know I want to I want to do 856 00:35:24,570 --> 00:35:22,750 I want to follow my passion I joined 857 00:35:27,329 --> 00:35:24,580 MUFON there's like wait you don't get 858 00:35:30,359 --> 00:35:27,339 paid I didn't care you know I finished 859 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:30,369 college but I'm more focused on UFOs 860 00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:32,290 than I did my study work and so I went 861 00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:38,800 pretty gung-ho from 2006 to 2010 doing 862 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:41,830 UFO cases and just dedicating myself to 863 00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,570 move on now did you with this curiosity 864 00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,359 and you looking and investigating did 865 00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:51,280 you try to find out if there were other 866 00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:52,630 sightings in the area 867 00:35:58,380 --> 00:35:55,300 and Texas where you had yours oh yeah uh 868 00:36:01,830 --> 00:35:58,390 would you come up with nothing zero well 869 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:01,840 there was a woman that got her name in 870 00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:04,930 the paper in this small-town paper about 871 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,400 a UFO picture that she took a year prior 872 00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:10,960 but that was it and they put down in 873 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:15,310 front page but that's it I went through 874 00:36:19,530 --> 00:36:18,010 the back diamond and had internet I mean 875 00:36:21,870 --> 00:36:19,540 it kind of did but it wasn't like today 876 00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:21,880 so I went to the newspaper company and 877 00:36:26,430 --> 00:36:24,790 went through their archives with all of 878 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:26,440 it because I heard about it and I wanted 879 00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:28,210 to find that article and after my hands 880 00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:30,280 are all black I finally found the front 881 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:32,470 page of that it was I was off by eight 882 00:36:38,100 --> 00:36:35,890 months but found it found that woman 883 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:38,110 talk to her and she was like what you 884 00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:40,330 would call contactee like myself she's 885 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:41,620 had ongoing experiences their whole 886 00:36:48,150 --> 00:36:46,210 lives just as I have to and it was 887 00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,160 interesting for her perspective but I 888 00:36:52,410 --> 00:36:50,320 think she saw it more on a spiritual 889 00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:52,420 sense then I was trying to find it in a 890 00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:54,700 more scientific sense so I didn't really 891 00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:57,220 get any answers but she says that she 892 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:00,880 sees them all time and that time she was 893 00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:04,810 lucky to catch a picture but though not 894 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:06,670 very many UFO sightings in Victoria 895 00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:09,010 Texas and actually I checked the MUFON 896 00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:10,990 database but I want to first joined move 897 00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:12,820 on when I got access to it 898 00:37:16,770 --> 00:37:14,590 and pulled up everything happening that 899 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:16,780 year in Texas to try to see if anything 900 00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:18,970 was very similar if anybody saw what I 901 00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:21,780 saw and nothing came up it was dead end 902 00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:24,430 yeah I always thought you know 903 00:37:31,140 --> 00:37:26,080 realistically I always thought it was 904 00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:31,150 very strange how like why there would be 905 00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:35,020 the flap or you know you know many 906 00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:37,240 sightings in one area why it would show 907 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:39,880 up again because it's a pretty big world 908 00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:42,490 and why would they show up in the same 909 00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:44,680 area when there would be so much more to 910 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:46,180 explore I mean I don't know if you've 911 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:46,930 ever thought of that 912 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:51,730 but it it doesn't make sense I would I 913 00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:54,730 remember six years or seven years later 914 00:38:00,090 --> 00:37:57,250 I went to visit dick again he told me it 915 00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:00,100 came back and I was really yeah I said 916 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:01,240 what are you talking about he's like I 917 00:38:06,540 --> 00:38:04,450 was out in the backyard and yet I'm a 918 00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:06,550 lawn chair trying to get some Sun 919 00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:09,670 he'd like to ten in his backyard and he 920 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:11,680 saw that come down and then it went 921 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:14,410 straight back up and you you asked that 922 00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:17,020 question right there as me being 19 or 923 00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:19,060 whatever I mean I know we all witnessed 924 00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:20,740 this but I didn't want to believe that 925 00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:23,020 because it doesn't make any any any 926 00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:26,080 sense unless they're we try to figure it 927 00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:27,820 out maybe there was some somebody in the 928 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:29,230 neighborhood that they were abducting 929 00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:31,210 right abduction everybody wants to talk 930 00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,980 about that yeah and maybe they were 931 00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:34,720 coming back and we just happened to bust 932 00:38:38,250 --> 00:38:37,000 them who knows I you know they were in 933 00:38:41,580 --> 00:38:38,260 the neighborhood three o'clock in the 934 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:41,590 afternoon right there boom I can't 935 00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:43,540 believe no one didn't see it it was 936 00:38:47,340 --> 00:38:46,030 stretched across the entire inspect if 937 00:38:48,810 --> 00:38:47,350 you walked across the street to the 938 00:38:50,610 --> 00:38:48,820 other side of the night on the other 939 00:38:52,410 --> 00:38:50,620 side of the neighborhood it's still with 940 00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:52,420 it with it stretched like a cross it 941 00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:54,430 wasn't like a small object it was like 942 00:39:00,060 --> 00:38:58,000 boom like big huge bright light and 943 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:00,070 those beams were touching both ends of 944 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,410 the street it wasn't something tiny I 945 00:39:07,290 --> 00:39:04,240 figure people could see it way down the 946 00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:07,300 road but yeah that's what it said I 947 00:39:11,490 --> 00:39:09,340 bought it kind of didn't believe it now 948 00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:11,500 being involved in the UFO field for so 949 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:13,960 long I believe it because when things 950 00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:15,970 happen people have ongoing experiences 951 00:39:22,410 --> 00:39:19,600 in the same spot yeah yeah and it is so 952 00:39:26,910 --> 00:39:22,420 bizarre how that does happen so your 953 00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:26,920 neighbor dick did he did he take a lot 954 00:39:31,740 --> 00:39:28,980 of pictures so so it's just a couple to 955 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:31,750 two why did he only take two and why do 956 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:34,690 you only take one because they were just 957 00:39:38,190 --> 00:39:36,730 looking at it I believe we were all not 958 00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:38,200 really thinking about gathering evidence 959 00:39:43,170 --> 00:39:41,230 so no one would believe us I understand 960 00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,180 we were shocked that this was even 961 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:45,760 happening yes I think that's what it was 962 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:48,010 I wish we did take more pictures I wish 963 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:51,010 we made many copies of it yes I would 964 00:39:55,230 --> 00:39:53,650 have locked it up in a vault yeah it was 965 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:55,240 really good well you wouldn't have 966 00:39:58,560 --> 00:39:56,770 thought to lock it up in a vault because 967 00:40:00,690 --> 00:39:58,570 who would think that they would go 968 00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:00,700 missing I mean that is just a really 969 00:40:05,790 --> 00:40:03,400 bizarre part of the story actually so he 970 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:05,800 bizarre is I that was one of the most 971 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:08,890 important things for me and the fact 972 00:40:13,890 --> 00:40:11,530 that it disappeared on my watch yeah I 973 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:13,900 was so frustrated and so hurt that I 974 00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:16,210 lost it or someone threw it away so I 975 00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:18,430 went over to go talk to dick to see if I 976 00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,670 can get another copy of it 977 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:21,440 yeah like immediately and his were 978 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:23,330 missing that's what's bizarre were you 979 00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:26,210 were you thinking that it possibly could 980 00:40:29,650 --> 00:40:27,520 have been your mother because she was 981 00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:29,660 trying to protect you in some type of 982 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:32,900 way or that no I think my mother if she 983 00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:35,090 was cleaning up she would have known and 984 00:40:38,170 --> 00:40:37,070 she's even told me I knew how important 985 00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:38,180 that was to you and I would have never 986 00:40:47,650 --> 00:40:45,260 fell yeah yeah so I want to talk about 987 00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:47,660 your military experience but I heard you 988 00:40:51,820 --> 00:40:49,670 say just a second ago you're you've had 989 00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:51,830 lifelong things happen so we'll talk 990 00:40:55,330 --> 00:40:53,630 about that a little bit later on so 991 00:40:57,180 --> 00:40:55,340 let's hear about where were you 992 00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:57,190 stationed and let's hear the details 993 00:41:02,980 --> 00:41:00,560 sure I was an Army infantryman 994 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:02,990 paratrooper so I was from the 82nd 995 00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:06,050 airborne on your on your side of North 996 00:41:11,290 --> 00:41:07,880 Carolina Fort Bragg and I was deployed 997 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:11,300 to Kosovo this is I remember if you're a 998 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:13,850 member of Saddam Milosevic Bill Clinton 999 00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:16,970 yep that was around all that yeah so it 1000 00:41:24,130 --> 00:41:21,740 was 1999 we were there we were just we 1001 00:41:26,770 --> 00:41:24,140 were in an observation point outside 1002 00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,780 this village outside of Pristina just 1003 00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:28,880 like capital of Kosovo or whatever and 1004 00:41:35,950 --> 00:41:32,960 it was that night I was on guard 1005 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:35,960 and I can't one of my guards it's like 1006 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:37,250 isn't that interesting that's an 1007 00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:39,530 airplane but it's not moving and I 1008 00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:42,550 looked up and after my experience from 1009 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:45,950 1996 I'm looking at it going well it 1010 00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:48,410 could be a UFO I mean it's not moving it 1011 00:41:52,060 --> 00:41:50,180 looked like a little basketball little 1012 00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:52,070 basketballs like for basketball sized 1013 00:41:58,090 --> 00:41:54,230 red lights but they just stayed right 1014 00:42:00,520 --> 00:41:58,100 above my outpost just to like only just 1015 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:00,530 read mm-hmm just the light no movements 1016 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:02,770 just right there basketball-sized 1017 00:42:10,330 --> 00:42:05,090 hovering right above us it wasn't stars 1018 00:42:11,380 --> 00:42:10,340 low enough so I remember we stared at it 1019 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:11,390 for a little what there was nothing 1020 00:42:19,150 --> 00:42:13,970 spectacular bad just just being 1021 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:19,160 perfectly still that I decided to or we 1022 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:20,930 both decided we agreed to wake up I 1023 00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,330 would tenant and I welcomed up I think 1024 00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:24,800 it's about 1:30 in the morning we were 1025 00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:27,470 on guard and he goes well report a UFO 1026 00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:29,750 it's a battalion commander battalion 1027 00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:33,440 area and I told them we'll 1028 00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:35,060 I don't know how to do that it's what I 1029 00:42:37,630 --> 00:42:37,070 said he goes well don't worry I'll get 1030 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:37,640 up and do it 1031 00:42:42,370 --> 00:42:39,890 and our lieutenant was a lazy pizza you 1032 00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,380 know what so the fact that he got up to 1033 00:42:47,530 --> 00:42:44,480 file that was like wow he's actually 1034 00:42:49,390 --> 00:42:47,540 doing something it wasn't like oh we're 1035 00:42:51,580 --> 00:42:49,400 all panicking in all this he was more 1036 00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:51,590 nonchalant he got on and called 1037 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:54,740 battalion the battalion area and gave us 1038 00:43:01,240 --> 00:42:57,170 a situation report on an on an unknown 1039 00:43:03,010 --> 00:43:01,250 object that's hovering above it was such 1040 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:03,020 a boring sighting that we looked away 1041 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:04,610 from it many times in continued 1042 00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:06,890 conversations and then continued to look 1043 00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:09,380 back up it wasn't that big of a deal but 1044 00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:12,470 I do realize during that moment that was 1045 00:43:16,420 --> 00:43:13,880 the only time I've noticed something 1046 00:43:20,820 --> 00:43:16,430 that was interesting was no one laughed 1047 00:43:24,820 --> 00:43:20,830 it off and concisely it was reported and 1048 00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:24,830 you know that's about it a nutshell yeah 1049 00:43:31,570 --> 00:43:28,520 I know I've heard a number of people say 1050 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:31,580 and over the years and then actually a 1051 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:35,090 friend of a relative told me that they 1052 00:43:40,570 --> 00:43:38,090 watched a UFO that looked like the size 1053 00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:40,580 of a washing machine they looked like 1054 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:42,020 the shape of a washing machine and it 1055 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:44,330 was spinning and it was there for like 1056 00:43:48,250 --> 00:43:46,490 hours and people would go out and look 1057 00:43:50,740 --> 00:43:48,260 at it no one reported this is in another 1058 00:43:52,900 --> 00:43:50,750 country no one reported it or anything 1059 00:43:56,770 --> 00:43:52,910 they just watched it and they got bored 1060 00:43:59,380 --> 00:43:56,780 and everyone went hints I don't mean it 1061 00:44:01,090 --> 00:43:59,390 it is kind of funny and I've had a lot 1062 00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:01,100 of people tell me that they've like they 1063 00:44:05,470 --> 00:44:02,900 watched whatever it was for a while and 1064 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:05,480 you know and got and got bored with it 1065 00:44:09,850 --> 00:44:08,570 so maybe that's part of their you know 1066 00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:09,860 part of their gig they're trying to get 1067 00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:12,260 us bored and then they'll do something 1068 00:44:17,710 --> 00:44:13,880 or gather some type of information who 1069 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:17,720 knows but I do I don't remember it 1070 00:44:23,290 --> 00:44:19,970 leaving I remembered it fading out I 1071 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:23,300 remember it seemed like they were 1072 00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:25,370 basketballs and then we looked up later 1073 00:44:28,990 --> 00:44:27,380 it was like a little bit smaller and 1074 00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:29,000 then we looked up later and it was like 1075 00:44:33,850 --> 00:44:31,070 going you know but it was still stayed 1076 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:33,860 in the same spot for balls light just 1077 00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,490 like perfect lined yeah across now that 1078 00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:40,640 happened in your had Co witnesses did 1079 00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:41,900 you tell them about what happened to you 1080 00:44:46,820 --> 00:44:43,700 when you were younger 1081 00:44:49,070 --> 00:44:46,830 yeah I talked about that but I want you 1082 00:44:52,310 --> 00:44:49,080 know that we all forgot about that UFO 1083 00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:52,320 the following night we totally forgot 1084 00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:53,910 about it because we got mortar attack 1085 00:44:58,100 --> 00:44:55,260 that night we almost got killed that 1086 00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,110 night oh boy there's a really bad 1087 00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:00,480 horrible night so we were thinking about 1088 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:03,150 our lives and not thinking no I mean we 1089 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:05,250 forgot about that damn UFO yeah I was 1090 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:07,530 open til later on and when I brought it 1091 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:09,330 up y'all remember we saw the UFO and 1092 00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,210 then people oh yeah yeah but if we 1093 00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,400 weren't if we weren't distracted by that 1094 00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:17,040 we probably would have talked a lot more 1095 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:19,380 about it but was there any question of 1096 00:45:25,580 --> 00:45:24,090 say enemy like drone of looking at a 1097 00:45:28,850 --> 00:45:25,590 position or anything like that was that 1098 00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:28,860 ever a question we did have drones back 1099 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:31,590 then but they were seek they the word 1100 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:33,690 drone kind of really didn't exist yeah I 1101 00:45:38,210 --> 00:45:35,490 remember I saw my first Predator drone 1102 00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:38,220 it looked like it came over and it was 1103 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:40,110 in Kosovo don't get me wrong but that's 1104 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:41,850 scared to hell I make almost shot it I 1105 00:45:44,990 --> 00:45:43,290 didn't know if it was a missile or what 1106 00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:45,000 it was yeah I didn't know what these 1107 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:46,740 things were it could have been but 1108 00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:48,690 they're like I said it was very it was 1109 00:45:55,310 --> 00:45:52,320 quiet no sound I mean it was there for 1110 00:45:57,350 --> 00:45:55,320 about 30 minutes in 30 minutes 1111 00:46:00,290 --> 00:45:57,360 yeah mileage looked up at it we looked 1112 00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,300 at it yeah I remember him saying it's a 1113 00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:02,160 UFO let's report it I remember him 1114 00:46:05,180 --> 00:46:03,420 saying that because he can figure out 1115 00:46:07,150 --> 00:46:05,190 what it was so see you up over important 1116 00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:07,160 is you up up we don't know what this is 1117 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:09,630 now when you report something like that 1118 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:11,130 in the military and I'm sure there's 1119 00:46:16,070 --> 00:46:13,650 there's a lot of it and because there a 1120 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:16,080 lot of people talk about either wartime 1121 00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:18,650 or you know reporting in the military 1122 00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,990 does it just go to a dead end or is 1123 00:46:24,010 --> 00:46:23,280 anyone ever question do you know 1124 00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:24,020 anything about that 1125 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:29,160 sorry yeah I guess it went to a dead end 1126 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:31,650 it just was reported I know but no men 1127 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:33,810 in black showed up no I thought he came 1128 00:46:39,860 --> 00:46:38,250 follow up any questions I mean it was as 1129 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:39,870 interesting as it was it wasn't 1130 00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:42,810 spectacular but like I said it was easy 1131 00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:46,710 to forget right away after all of us it 1132 00:46:51,020 --> 00:46:49,140 was like a Mindwipe after getting blown 1133 00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:51,030 up someone trying to kill us the ball 1134 00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,710 tonight we were more thinking of 1135 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:54,480 survival in there Rochelle I'm gonna 1136 00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:55,890 make it home yeah 1137 00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,260 cares about that UFO absolutely I can 1138 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:00,319 totally get that 1139 00:47:03,769 --> 00:47:02,250 that probably kind of answers your 1140 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:03,779 question because we moved around a lot 1141 00:47:07,309 --> 00:47:05,970 but we did report it or my lieutenant 1142 00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,319 reported it I stood right there and 1143 00:47:12,410 --> 00:47:09,119 listened to him he gave a standard 1144 00:47:14,329 --> 00:47:12,420 report like sighs activity location unit 1145 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:14,339 time equipment you know just kind of 1146 00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,890 state these things in the report and 1147 00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:18,240 that was it 1148 00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:20,609 and I guess they logged it who knows we 1149 00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,920 would've read it but the problem is 1150 00:47:27,529 --> 00:47:24,960 blown off no I didn't see no jets coming 1151 00:47:28,999 --> 00:47:27,539 or anything like that it was early in 1152 00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,009 the morning we raided at the end they 1153 00:47:33,799 --> 00:47:31,380 said they and the other guy Neriah took 1154 00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:33,809 notes and that was it he went back to 1155 00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:38,910 bed right away after that well and so 1156 00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:42,000 that was it for the military so you got 1157 00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:43,710 out of there did you have actually 1158 00:47:48,529 --> 00:47:47,160 sightings in between the 16 year old 1159 00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:48,539 time and then when you went into the 1160 00:47:53,420 --> 00:47:50,609 military or was that that was it was 1161 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:53,430 just that was the first one and then 1162 00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:55,650 that was my second one yeah I remembered 1163 00:48:00,740 --> 00:47:58,619 a sighting when I was a kid and I 1164 00:48:04,220 --> 00:48:00,750 remember my dad telling me it's a meteor 1165 00:48:07,220 --> 00:48:04,230 no I'm not believe yeah you know and I 1166 00:48:08,690 --> 00:48:07,230 went inside so to me March 20 1986 was 1167 00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:08,700 my first sighting but it kind of it 1168 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:10,619 really wasn't our first sighting was 1169 00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,890 with my father in 1986 in a town called 1170 00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:16,079 Runge Texas and I remember very well it 1171 00:48:19,579 --> 00:48:17,819 was a ball light and his stuff was 1172 00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:19,589 dripping off it it was like dripping and 1173 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:21,900 then it would the drip would come down 1174 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:25,170 and then go back up that's not a meteor 1175 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:27,210 but when my dad told me it was a meteor 1176 00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:29,130 I believed I mean he told me to go 1177 00:48:32,839 --> 00:48:30,990 inside and I remember him standing out 1178 00:48:34,339 --> 00:48:32,849 there looking at it and I told my 1179 00:48:37,279 --> 00:48:34,349 grandmother girls like you better do 1180 00:48:40,579 --> 00:48:37,289 what what daddy says you know so I went 1181 00:48:43,819 --> 00:48:40,589 to bed my father is now deceased he died 1182 00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:43,829 in 1989 a few years after that but my 1183 00:48:47,539 --> 00:48:45,900 mom my mother remembers him coming in 1184 00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:47,549 that night saying he saw something 1185 00:48:51,650 --> 00:48:50,099 strange down the street he told me to go 1186 00:48:54,190 --> 00:48:51,660 inside cuz he didn't know what it was he 1187 00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:54,200 trying to protect his son yeah but I 1188 00:48:59,029 --> 00:48:56,700 remember is just a white light with some 1189 00:49:01,279 --> 00:48:59,039 things dripping and going back up so 1190 00:49:03,499 --> 00:49:01,289 when my dad told me that was a meteor I 1191 00:49:05,749 --> 00:49:03,509 actually believed those were meteors and 1192 00:49:07,999 --> 00:49:05,759 I'm arguing with my teacher in class no 1193 00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:08,009 meteors dizzle up in sky or whatever I 1194 00:49:14,859 --> 00:49:10,700 go no they hover and these things drip 1195 00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:14,869 just look at it like okay yours you know 1196 00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:19,560 Wow wow that's fantastic you know I I 1197 00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:22,980 had a I saw a fireball I've talked about 1198 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:28,140 this on the show many years ago go over 1199 00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:30,570 me and it was much more spectacular than 1200 00:49:36,859 --> 00:49:33,780 my UFO sighting this was I could see 1201 00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:36,869 this thing turning and it was had it was 1202 00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:39,300 sort of orange and cracked and like 1203 00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:40,980 sparks flying off of it it was just 1204 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:44,310 amazing and again no sound but it was 1205 00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:46,050 probably really high over me but it 1206 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:49,020 looked huge look look like at least the 1207 00:49:54,980 --> 00:49:52,890 size of the moon you know it was big so 1208 00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:54,990 that was fantastic but it was definitely 1209 00:50:00,380 --> 00:49:57,839 fireball it wasn't it wasn't what you're 1210 00:50:02,359 --> 00:50:00,390 talking about I mean when you're talking 1211 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:02,369 about something dripping and then going 1212 00:50:08,359 --> 00:50:05,250 back up I mean that that is just another 1213 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:08,369 really bizarre thing I believe my father 1214 00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,650 it's a normal thing it's a meteor I go 1215 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:13,440 inside sign and I bled and I log that in 1216 00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:15,810 my head that's what they look like well 1217 00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:18,089 I was educated properly later on down 1218 00:50:24,530 --> 00:50:21,540 the road but yeah Wow get with me for 1219 00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:24,540 many many years yeah we have like four 1220 00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:27,060 minutes left and what I'd like to do is 1221 00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:28,980 uh and the last part of the show is talk 1222 00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:31,920 to you about some investigations you've 1223 00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:33,060 done and then we can go on and talk 1224 00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:35,640 about how you got on you know the 1225 00:50:42,140 --> 00:50:38,190 spotlight on hangar 21 and hangar one 1226 00:50:46,070 --> 00:50:42,150 and all that so again in these like four 1227 00:50:48,260 --> 00:50:46,080 minutes where when you get discharged 1228 00:50:50,329 --> 00:50:48,270 from the military you said that you went 1229 00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:50,339 up to Northern California and then you 1230 00:50:54,980 --> 00:50:53,460 went to school and but you made it all 1231 00:50:57,070 --> 00:50:54,990 the way through a school but you decided 1232 00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:57,080 like halfway through that you wanted to 1233 00:51:02,240 --> 00:50:59,700 do more investigations and get into 1234 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:02,250 MUFON yes sir at that time were you 1235 00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:05,609 following like going had you gone to 1236 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:07,380 like a symposium or anything like that 1237 00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:09,930 or yes I was like I said I was gonna I 1238 00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:12,960 try to go is dominium as I could I'd go 1239 00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:15,420 to the Irvine you know and then feature 1240 00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:17,190 symposiums like would usually be in 1241 00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:20,220 Denver around that time we saved up all 1242 00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:22,500 my money I could fly up there to be a 1243 00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:23,790 part of the team and get to meet 1244 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:25,020 everybody and 1245 00:51:33,050 --> 00:51:29,130 network you know what you what year was 1246 00:51:34,550 --> 00:51:33,060 that about Oh two thousand six seven 1247 00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:34,560 eight nine 1248 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:38,600 yeah I mean uh you know you would meet 1249 00:51:43,070 --> 00:51:40,770 like my first time remember I met 1250 00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,080 Richard Dolan and I remember reading 1251 00:51:46,750 --> 00:51:45,480 this book and it was I was kind of nuts 1252 00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:46,760 a little star-struck 1253 00:51:52,460 --> 00:51:50,430 but then later on we I mean I look back 1254 00:51:54,620 --> 00:51:52,470 and I'm like I was on a show with him we 1255 00:51:56,359 --> 00:51:54,630 all became good friends it's a small you 1256 00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:56,369 believe it or not the UFO community is 1257 00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:59,130 quite small and you get to know 1258 00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:01,800 everybody pretty quick it's yeah yeah 1259 00:52:07,150 --> 00:52:05,400 yeah I know it's a I what I one of the 1260 00:52:10,340 --> 00:52:07,160 things I really like about this a lot of 1261 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:10,350 really intelligent people that are 1262 00:52:14,570 --> 00:52:12,450 taking this seriously and you know of 1263 00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:14,580 course you can find fringe and whatever 1264 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:18,150 you do and any you know I mean there may 1265 00:52:22,250 --> 00:52:20,490 be something to Bigfoot there may be 1266 00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:22,260 something to ghosts and things like that 1267 00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:24,900 but there's all there's it's kind of the 1268 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:26,280 same thing there's people that are 1269 00:52:29,720 --> 00:52:27,810 trying to look at it trying to figure it 1270 00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:29,730 out and then there's a people that go 1271 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:32,310 off the rails you know and and everyone 1272 00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:34,890 has to decide what tack they want to 1273 00:52:40,340 --> 00:52:37,230 take and looking into it and but I 1274 00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,350 really enjoy the topic because I think I 1275 00:52:43,630 --> 00:52:42,000 don't really think that I'm ever going 1276 00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:43,640 to get an answer but I still like to 1277 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:48,240 ponder what a UFO could be and listen to 1278 00:52:54,530 --> 00:52:52,890 other people's thoughts on it and if we 1279 00:52:59,120 --> 00:52:54,540 only have a couple minutes here would 1280 00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,130 you have if you had to guess would you 1281 00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:02,000 think that it's most likely 1282 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:05,460 extraterrestrial or do to have any 1283 00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:08,010 thoughts on that what people are seeing 1284 00:53:14,330 --> 00:53:10,859 I think it might be a little bit more 1285 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:14,340 beyond that I don't um I can give you 1286 00:53:18,650 --> 00:53:16,650 analogies or why I think that 1287 00:53:20,660 --> 00:53:18,660 but the explain its kind of difficult 1288 00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:20,670 it's something that probably haven't 1289 00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:23,310 thought about but it could be a mix of 1290 00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:25,760 all of that it could it could be 1291 00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,440 extraterrestrial and by saying that from 1292 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:30,300 another planet traveling here great 1293 00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:32,010 distance to get here it could be extra 1294 00:53:36,109 --> 00:53:33,630 dimensional and then once you start 1295 00:53:38,090 --> 00:53:36,119 climbing up the ladder on what it could 1296 00:53:39,830 --> 00:53:38,100 be then it gets to the point where 1297 00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,840 what does have you've not thought about 1298 00:53:43,820 --> 00:53:42,000 so here's a good example we've got one 1299 00:53:45,830 --> 00:53:43,830 more minute try to imagine that color 1300 00:53:47,540 --> 00:53:45,840 you've ever you've never seen before I'm 1301 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:47,550 not talking purple black white blue red 1302 00:53:52,610 --> 00:53:50,370 brown orange green yellow right you if 1303 00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,620 you can think of a color I know you 1304 00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:55,440 can't but if you could how are you gonna 1305 00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,330 explain it to me and yeah I'm going 1306 00:54:03,110 --> 00:53:59,760 correct vocabulary to explain it to me 1307 00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:03,120 right uh it I would say that category 1308 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:05,220 UFOs are definitely somewhere in that 1309 00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:07,170 category of something that we haven't 1310 00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,270 thought about and we can't think about 1311 00:54:11,810 --> 00:54:11,280 until we observe and experience it 1312 00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:11,820 ourselves 1313 00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:15,000 yeah that's it I'm not saying humans are 1314 00:54:19,070 --> 00:54:16,800 dumb I just say we have a limit we have 1315 00:54:21,590 --> 00:54:19,080 limitations yeah we do we have a 1316 00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:21,600 limitation sort of senses and we also 1317 00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:23,400 have limitations to our spectrum that we 1318 00:54:29,060 --> 00:54:26,670 can actually see you know which is which 1319 00:54:30,410 --> 00:54:29,070 is another whole you know type of thing 1320 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:30,420 it could be something outside of our 1321 00:54:35,110 --> 00:54:32,610 spectrum that also we can't see but 1322 00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:35,120 anyway we are ready to go to break and 1323 00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:38,150 hang in there we'll be right back 1324 00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:43,500 alright so I am back I am with Jeremy 1325 00:54:49,820 --> 00:54:47,070 ray and we're talking about his past 1326 00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:49,830 experiences and sightings and UFOs we're 1327 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:52,230 going to talk about a lot more in this 1328 00:54:57,260 --> 00:54:53,610 next segment 1329 00:55:00,020 --> 00:54:57,270 it's a almost a full hour segment Jeremy 1330 00:55:03,140 --> 00:55:00,030 welcome back to the show thank you and 1331 00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:03,150 so let's talk about you you joined MUFON 1332 00:55:09,590 --> 00:55:06,680 and I know you're on the star team and 1333 00:55:12,020 --> 00:55:09,600 so I know they think a lot of you to get 1334 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:12,030 to that you know that position and move 1335 00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:16,010 on so let's talk about you did 1336 00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:18,420 investigations in California let's talk 1337 00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:22,910 first about that and and how that went 1338 00:55:27,980 --> 00:55:25,830 it was actually if you want to talk 1339 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:27,990 about star team and how I got into into 1340 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:29,330 that it kind of falls in that category 1341 00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:32,490 there was a there was a an aerospace 1342 00:55:35,810 --> 00:55:34,920 company called Bigelow Aerospace that is 1343 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:35,820 based yes 1344 00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:38,490 Robert Bigelow kind of infamous in the 1345 00:55:45,110 --> 00:55:41,640 UFO field but um he started to come in 1346 00:55:46,850 --> 00:55:45,120 and fund MUFON investigators so he 1347 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:46,860 actually the first time getting paid to 1348 00:55:51,710 --> 00:55:49,290 go out and do a case I signed up for 1349 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:51,720 that and I remember in the application 1350 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:53,609 there is non-disclosures and stuff but 1351 00:55:59,210 --> 00:55:55,530 they were looking for law enforcement or 1352 00:56:02,300 --> 00:55:59,220 military you know people and I dropped I 1353 00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:02,310 put in all my military stuff and usually 1354 00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:05,839 it during the time it was James was the 1355 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:09,780 the depth the executive director of 1356 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:11,970 MUFON during that time and I think he 1357 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:14,730 was approving and I got approved to be a 1358 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:17,490 part of it so that during this time this 1359 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:19,290 was I think the star team was like real 1360 00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:20,970 star team because we were being funded 1361 00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,680 everything was taken care of you just 1362 00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:25,200 had to make sure that you got to notice 1363 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:27,089 he had to be there in 24 hours he had to 1364 00:56:30,349 --> 00:56:28,650 have all her stuff packed anyway and 1365 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:30,359 they would take care of thing flights 1366 00:56:36,980 --> 00:56:34,410 rentals we even had her damn you know 1367 00:56:40,370 --> 00:56:36,990 and then you got paid to go do your case 1368 00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:40,380 so I was real excited about that in the 1369 00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:42,060 beginning this is this is this is 1370 00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:44,819 interesting I was you know I had a 1371 00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:47,040 normal job and I was working but I got I 1372 00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:50,940 didn't have at the army since got out in 1373 00:56:59,059 --> 00:56:55,859 2001 and it's now 2008 and I give an 1374 00:57:02,240 --> 00:56:59,069 email from US Army gov and it's 1375 00:57:03,950 --> 00:57:02,250 assigning me to a UFO case and I was 1376 00:57:06,859 --> 00:57:03,960 like well I'm supposed to be getting 1377 00:57:09,740 --> 00:57:06,869 move on to send me you know these 13 1378 00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:09,750 cases so I just scrolled down and I saw 1379 00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,940 the guy's name in his rank and I called 1380 00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:13,680 the number and I said hey yeah that's 1381 00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:15,000 like yeah well thanks for assigning me 1382 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:17,550 to case wonderful yada yada I said yeah 1383 00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:19,050 I was in the Army too and I told him 1384 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:20,760 what I did and I was a paratrooper and 1385 00:57:24,349 --> 00:57:22,650 all that and I said so what do you do 1386 00:57:25,970 --> 00:57:24,359 and he goes well I work at the Pentagon 1387 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:25,980 actually I meant the Pentagon right now 1388 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:29,250 I'm sitting at my desk I go well I said 1389 00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,650 I said well pardon me if I at my ask of 1390 00:57:36,140 --> 00:57:34,319 what does that got to do with MUFON what 1391 00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:36,150 you know and he goes oh no I'm a MUFON 1392 00:57:42,140 --> 00:57:39,599 investigator - okay oh that makes 1393 00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:42,150 perfect sense okay well I hung up and 1394 00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:43,890 I'm going you shouldn't have used your 1395 00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,160 US Army gov email to send me a frickin 1396 00:57:51,859 --> 00:57:49,680 MUFON case that's right okay you're not 1397 00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:51,869 supposed to do that he just probably 1398 00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:53,700 screwed up not that not that big of a 1399 00:57:59,059 --> 00:57:56,880 deal yeah move along right yeah we all 1400 00:58:01,609 --> 00:57:59,069 know now but back then I'm not saying I 1401 00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:01,619 was that gullible but I did call him and 1402 00:58:05,540 --> 00:58:04,500 I was asking why am I getting a MUFON 1403 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:05,550 case 1404 00:58:11,330 --> 00:58:09,090 from US Army dugout so they probably 1405 00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:11,340 getting ready to go and I think probably 1406 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:13,020 a couple of hours later I get an email 1407 00:58:20,060 --> 00:58:15,330 from MUFON to assign me the case from 1408 00:58:23,330 --> 00:58:20,070 Richard same thing but so I think they 1409 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:23,340 kind of screwed up on that yeah so so I 1410 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:25,410 was ready so I went and went to Houston 1411 00:58:29,180 --> 00:58:27,450 text there's basically the report was 1412 00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:29,190 two guys had missing time 1413 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:31,470 a UFO picked them up and took them 1414 00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:32,690 that's what they're saying 1415 00:58:38,780 --> 00:58:37,020 they contacted MUFON and MUFON didn't 1416 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:38,790 show up Bigelow Aerospace scientists 1417 00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:41,130 guys showed up and they were furious 1418 00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:43,110 because they didn't contact Bigelow they 1419 00:58:48,380 --> 00:58:45,230 contacted MUFON they wanted to know why 1420 00:58:49,790 --> 00:58:48,390 these this Bigelow company is coming in 1421 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:49,800 and we wanted to abyss so they weren't 1422 00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,570 gonna they weren't gonna talk and they 1423 00:58:56,060 --> 00:58:53,040 were like just leave us alone yada yada 1424 00:58:58,550 --> 00:58:56,070 so that's when I got assigned a case and 1425 00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:58,560 I went over there and I talked to him I 1426 00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:00,420 said well we'll set up a thing for two 1427 00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:02,220 weeks you know and I'll come visit you 1428 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:04,110 in two weeks because they didn't want to 1429 00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:04,530 do it today 1430 00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:06,390 they were just pushing they didn't want 1431 00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:09,000 to do it at all yeah and so finally I 1432 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:11,400 showed up I remember ringing the 1433 00:59:16,820 --> 00:59:13,250 doorbell and they didn't answer the door 1434 00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:16,830 I remember talking to the neighbor and I 1435 00:59:20,660 --> 00:59:19,260 asked the neighbor I said hey the two 1436 00:59:21,830 --> 00:59:20,670 guys I was like I was because I'm 1437 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:21,840 supposed to be here at their house we're 1438 00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:23,370 not answering she was lucky I just 1439 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:24,720 talked to him five minutes ago they're 1440 00:59:28,070 --> 00:59:26,730 in there so I knew that they saw that 1441 00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:28,080 was there and they weren't answering the 1442 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:30,870 door well I could I could smell a little 1443 00:59:35,810 --> 00:59:32,610 well I can't shouldn't be saying this 1444 00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:35,820 part but I could smell something going 1445 00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:37,380 on inside the house so maybe they didn't 1446 00:59:41,090 --> 00:59:38,370 want to open the door 1447 00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:41,100 right so I went across the street and 1448 00:59:45,740 --> 00:59:44,580 I'm sitting at a like a outside bar I'm 1449 00:59:48,860 --> 00:59:45,750 saying you know I'm gonna wait here 1450 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:48,870 about an hour to and if they don't hit 1451 00:59:52,850 --> 00:59:50,250 me up I guess I'll just drive back home 1452 00:59:54,830 --> 00:59:52,860 this is a good three hour drive or two 1453 00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:54,840 hour drive well they finally answer they 1454 00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:56,460 go how long since the first thing he 1455 01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:57,810 said how long's this gonna take 1456 01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:02,400 and I told them and and then they said 1457 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:04,020 well we want to meet a public place and 1458 01:00:07,460 --> 01:00:05,610 I said that's fine I'm I'm right across 1459 01:00:09,550 --> 01:00:07,470 the street and so they showed up and 1460 01:00:12,290 --> 01:00:09,560 when they showed up they were so 1461 01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,300 paranoid lookin over his shoulders and 1462 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:14,640 scared so I knew this was they were 1463 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:16,290 shaken up about this yeah 1464 01:00:20,590 --> 01:00:18,770 and one of the guys 1465 01:00:23,770 --> 01:00:20,600 drilled into me and he wanted to know 1466 01:00:25,450 --> 01:00:23,780 why Bigelow was there and that's not who 1467 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:25,460 he called and he wanted to make sure I 1468 01:00:29,710 --> 01:00:27,770 wasn't a government spook and you know 1469 01:00:31,660 --> 01:00:29,720 doesn't trust anybody and basically it 1470 01:00:35,170 --> 01:00:31,670 was just a big he was chewing me out for 1471 01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:35,180 at least 10 to 15 minutes and it's like 1472 01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,150 wow this isn't going well maybe I should 1473 01:00:42,970 --> 01:00:40,640 you know let him know or I should just 1474 01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:42,980 go and I said well sir you know I'm not 1475 01:00:46,510 --> 01:00:45,200 a you know a government official and I 1476 01:00:48,820 --> 01:00:46,520 explained and try to make them feel 1477 01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:48,830 comfortable I said I made up something 1478 01:00:53,110 --> 01:00:50,390 to the point I said well I live at my 1479 01:00:56,050 --> 01:00:53,120 grandma's house I play video games and I 1480 01:00:58,720 --> 01:00:56,060 smoke whatever I was Miller from their 1481 01:01:01,540 --> 01:00:58,730 house got a man and when I said those 1482 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:01,550 words which is you know anyway they 1483 01:01:05,230 --> 01:01:04,250 relaxed yeah I was able to get them to 1484 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:05,240 talk yeah 1485 01:01:09,130 --> 01:01:06,890 I had to get them to be comfortable and 1486 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:09,140 I figured this is not going anywhere I 1487 01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:11,450 felt like I was in an interrogation and 1488 01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:14,180 but this wasn't going really well so I 1489 01:01:17,830 --> 01:01:16,490 got to break the ice and then they 1490 01:01:20,050 --> 01:01:17,840 started tell me their story and it's 1491 01:01:22,570 --> 01:01:20,060 very very very interesting this is what 1492 01:01:24,220 --> 01:01:22,580 happened they rented a car okay and they 1493 01:01:26,380 --> 01:01:24,230 went on a road trip to the Grand Canyon 1494 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:26,390 they were coming back into Texas and one 1495 01:01:30,820 --> 01:01:27,850 of the guys is an amateur photographer 1496 01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:30,830 he gets he sees a groundhog popping his 1497 01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,760 head out in the middle of the road and 1498 01:01:35,290 --> 01:01:33,920 they decide to pull over and he gets out 1499 01:01:37,870 --> 01:01:35,300 he starts snapping pictures of all these 1500 01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:37,880 groundhogs then they both start feeling 1501 01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:40,010 this feeling that they're being watched 1502 01:01:43,180 --> 01:01:41,570 and they need to get in the car and 1503 01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:43,190 leave right now they both described this 1504 01:01:46,690 --> 01:01:45,110 like get spooked so they stopped what 1505 01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:46,700 they were doing they got in the car and 1506 01:01:51,970 --> 01:01:49,610 they started driving and about maybe a 1507 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:51,980 mile into the drive a big shadow comes 1508 01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:53,930 over their car and they look up and it's 1509 01:01:58,090 --> 01:01:56,000 like this big plate a big saucer right 1510 01:01:59,560 --> 01:01:58,100 above them so they're freaking out and 1511 01:02:01,120 --> 01:01:59,570 the guy starts to outrun it starts 1512 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:01,130 accelerating it getting it up as high as 1513 01:02:05,620 --> 01:02:03,050 you can and the things staying with him 1514 01:02:07,780 --> 01:02:05,630 the whole time well and the guy in the 1515 01:02:09,970 --> 01:02:07,790 passenger trying to say their names but 1516 01:02:12,370 --> 01:02:09,980 the guy in the passengers try looking up 1517 01:02:13,870 --> 01:02:12,380 and he also sees out the desert this 1518 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:13,880 thing running the long side of the road 1519 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:15,050 or out in the field 1520 01:02:20,830 --> 01:02:18,650 this white humanoid being with an 1521 01:02:22,330 --> 01:02:20,840 upside-down head teardrop running 1522 01:02:24,460 --> 01:02:22,340 alongside of the car okay 1523 01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,470 so there so basically they're glass 1524 01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:26,240 speeding they're speeding down the 1525 01:02:30,190 --> 01:02:28,640 highway this UFOs right on top of them 1526 01:02:32,620 --> 01:02:30,200 right and while the guy's looking at 1527 01:02:34,030 --> 01:02:32,630 he's seeing out a distance this little 1528 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:34,040 getting closer and closer and closer and 1529 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:36,050 closer so I'm trying to show you here's 1530 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:37,970 the car he's coming at an angle like 1531 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:41,570 this you know so it's gaining speed and 1532 01:02:44,260 --> 01:02:43,010 he's telling you need to speed up cuz 1533 01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:44,270 whatever this thing is is getting closer 1534 01:02:47,890 --> 01:02:46,310 and closer so the next thing I remember 1535 01:02:49,810 --> 01:02:47,900 is a big BAM 1536 01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,820 when it got to the car there was a big 1537 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:51,440 BAM everything went white 1538 01:02:55,180 --> 01:02:53,930 inside the car they've won described it 1539 01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:55,190 as sticking your head in a mayonnaise 1540 01:02:59,230 --> 01:02:57,410 jar the other guy described it as 1541 01:03:01,020 --> 01:02:59,240 sticking your head in a box of Kleenexes 1542 01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:01,030 but whatever they've okay their own 1543 01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:02,930 interpretations but they felt like 1544 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:06,110 they're being lifted up and then that's 1545 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:08,330 it right next thing I know they're 1546 01:03:13,450 --> 01:03:10,570 driving down the road and they feel a 1547 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:13,460 little slight buzz like they're you know 1548 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:14,930 like that they're happy and they're 1549 01:03:19,030 --> 01:03:16,850 giggling and they're having a good time 1550 01:03:21,370 --> 01:03:19,040 and then one of the guys goes wait a 1551 01:03:24,340 --> 01:03:21,380 second wait like did we hit somebody did 1552 01:03:26,350 --> 01:03:24,350 we run over somebody and you're right I 1553 01:03:28,510 --> 01:03:26,360 remember hearing a bang so they stopped 1554 01:03:30,370 --> 01:03:28,520 pulled over and walked outside they 1555 01:03:32,110 --> 01:03:30,380 looked around the car and that's when 1556 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:32,120 all their memories came back they 1557 01:03:36,700 --> 01:03:34,010 realize that they missing time they're 1558 01:03:38,410 --> 01:03:36,710 supposed to be home about an hour or not 1559 01:03:40,210 --> 01:03:38,420 home but they they had they were missing 1560 01:03:42,370 --> 01:03:40,220 about an hour of time a little bit over 1561 01:03:44,050 --> 01:03:42,380 an hour and 20 minutes of time and 1562 01:03:46,210 --> 01:03:44,060 because they looked at the clock things 1563 01:03:48,420 --> 01:03:46,220 weren't matching up and then the fear 1564 01:03:51,790 --> 01:03:48,430 kicked in where they were flooded with 1565 01:03:54,010 --> 01:03:51,800 just the memories of being picked up you 1566 01:03:55,660 --> 01:03:54,020 know they remember David Bowie blue or 1567 01:03:58,150 --> 01:03:55,670 not was playing on the radio when they 1568 01:04:00,460 --> 01:03:58,160 were outrunning the guy okay and when 1569 01:04:02,260 --> 01:04:00,470 the or this thing and when everything 1570 01:04:03,940 --> 01:04:02,270 went white there was no David Bowie 1571 01:04:06,250 --> 01:04:03,950 there was no sound it was crystal clear 1572 01:04:08,130 --> 01:04:06,260 eerie silence but they did feel the 1573 01:04:11,470 --> 01:04:08,140 sensation like they were being lifted up 1574 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:11,480 okay that's that's that's it to sum it 1575 01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:15,530 up what my job was to thought a report 1576 01:04:20,830 --> 01:04:18,170 put all the facts of what they said none 1577 01:04:23,530 --> 01:04:20,840 of my conclusions and present that's 1578 01:04:26,860 --> 01:04:23,540 move on and move on presented it to to 1579 01:04:29,290 --> 01:04:26,870 Bigelow and then I think the the the 1580 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:29,300 idea was should we oh yeah they wanted 1581 01:04:33,310 --> 01:04:31,730 to buy the car off oh right they wanted 1582 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:33,320 to get the vehicle and that was the 1583 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:35,570 problem is it wasn't their vehicle it 1584 01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:38,330 was a enterprise it was a rent-a-car so 1585 01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:39,680 it took me a little bit to get the 1586 01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:43,310 receipt that the guy had and I submitted 1587 01:04:46,299 --> 01:04:45,590 that off to now if they went to go track 1588 01:04:48,459 --> 01:04:46,309 down the car 1589 01:04:51,249 --> 01:04:48,469 pretty sure Bigelow's men went and got 1590 01:04:53,709 --> 01:04:51,259 the car and probably took the los alamos 1591 01:04:56,949 --> 01:04:53,719 from what i heard and from and and i 1592 01:04:58,569 --> 01:04:56,959 don't know if it was related but it 1593 01:05:00,609 --> 01:04:58,579 could have I don't think they got 1594 01:05:02,429 --> 01:05:00,619 anything off the car at all but uh 1595 01:05:04,420 --> 01:05:02,439 except for a high electromagnetic 1596 01:05:09,329 --> 01:05:04,430 interference off the windshield many 1597 01:05:12,670 --> 01:05:09,339 many weeks later I talked to uh was 1598 01:05:14,890 --> 01:05:12,680 Chuck Malden one of our scientific avars 1599 01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,900 advisors that move on have you ever met 1600 01:05:18,969 --> 01:05:16,880 Chuck Malden no no okay 1601 01:05:21,269 --> 01:05:18,979 well during that time he said that if 1602 01:05:23,170 --> 01:05:21,279 there was a high electromagnetic 1603 01:05:26,829 --> 01:05:23,180 interference coming off the windshield 1604 01:05:29,289 --> 01:05:26,839 below if that's Plexiglas doesn't really 1605 01:05:32,709 --> 01:05:29,299 make sense but maybe they were pulled 1606 01:05:34,539 --> 01:05:32,719 through the windshield not like outside 1607 01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:34,549 you know when they were taken up maybe 1608 01:05:36,999 --> 01:05:35,930 they were pulled through there and 1609 01:05:38,890 --> 01:05:37,009 that's why there's something some kind 1610 01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:38,900 of something going on right there's a 1611 01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:41,689 little bit up over my head but that was 1612 01:05:46,959 --> 01:05:43,609 the mission objective was to go down 1613 01:05:49,179 --> 01:05:46,969 there fill a report and then get get the 1614 01:05:50,979 --> 01:05:49,189 evidence because that was we would only 1615 01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:50,989 go deploy on category twos and threes 1616 01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:53,089 and most of those would have some kind 1617 01:05:59,439 --> 01:05:55,609 of evidence and the car in this case was 1618 01:06:02,410 --> 01:05:59,449 the evidence Wow but like I said these 1619 01:06:04,779 --> 01:06:02,420 guys were traumatized they wanted 1620 01:06:08,589 --> 01:06:04,789 answers I couldn't give them I don't 1621 01:06:10,029 --> 01:06:08,599 know either but yeah that's probably 1622 01:06:11,319 --> 01:06:10,039 gonna shake them up for rester a lot 1623 01:06:12,009 --> 01:06:11,329 they're probably not gonna be the same 1624 01:06:14,410 --> 01:06:12,019 after that 1625 01:06:16,419 --> 01:06:14,420 right alright can you and you take a 1626 01:06:19,660 --> 01:06:16,429 look at your computer and just turn down 1627 01:06:21,219 --> 01:06:19,670 the volume a little bit sure because I'm 1628 01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:21,229 getting a little bit back here is that 1629 01:06:30,039 --> 01:06:25,369 better I think so yeah that's very thank 1630 01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:30,049 you so in a case like that are you told 1631 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:35,599 to interview the witnesses separately or 1632 01:06:41,439 --> 01:06:38,569 together it's okay I would love to have 1633 01:06:45,370 --> 01:06:41,449 interviewed him separately but they were 1634 01:06:48,429 --> 01:06:45,380 partners okay and they were they didn't 1635 01:06:50,410 --> 01:06:48,439 even want to do the do the investigation 1636 01:06:51,939 --> 01:06:50,420 it's just the fact that I was hanging 1637 01:06:53,429 --> 01:06:51,949 outside their house for an hour or two 1638 01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:53,439 that they knew I wasn't going to go home 1639 01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:55,849 so they kind of were really mad and 1640 01:06:59,680 --> 01:06:58,640 angry and decided to do it so I'm just 1641 01:07:03,250 --> 01:06:59,690 glad it was either 1642 01:07:04,990 --> 01:07:03,260 I was going home oh wait there's one guy 1643 01:07:07,450 --> 01:07:05,000 get all the talking while the other guy 1644 01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:07,460 was looking over his shoulders see if 1645 01:07:10,690 --> 01:07:08,810 they were gonna I'm not kidding 1646 01:07:13,329 --> 01:07:10,700 anytime a white damn passed by down the 1647 01:07:17,230 --> 01:07:13,339 road they were spooked they were they 1648 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:17,240 were I spun its best way I could say it 1649 01:07:20,050 --> 01:07:18,650 yeah and of course that asked it 1650 01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:20,060 questions right there in front yeah he 1651 01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:21,710 would say mayonnaise jar he would say 1652 01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:24,710 Kleenex box but they both agreed and 1653 01:07:29,890 --> 01:07:26,839 confirmed to the story or the guy with 1654 01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:29,900 throwing it is two cents let him know 1655 01:07:34,210 --> 01:07:31,910 debo he was playing on the radio you 1656 01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,220 know little things like that would it be 1657 01:07:39,730 --> 01:07:36,880 interesting if they could have a 1658 01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:39,740 regression hypno of you know 1659 01:07:44,140 --> 01:07:42,290 hypnotherapy and regression I brought 1660 01:07:44,650 --> 01:07:44,150 that up to him and they were not gonna 1661 01:07:48,849 --> 01:07:44,660 have it 1662 01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:48,859 yeah I thought yeah you know that that 1663 01:07:53,620 --> 01:07:51,230 is that is a really wild story so I'm 1664 01:07:55,329 --> 01:07:53,630 assuming that they basically had the 1665 01:07:57,940 --> 01:07:55,339 highway to themselves when they were 1666 01:08:01,900 --> 01:07:57,950 driving along you know no other 1667 01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:01,910 witnesses to see anything and that that 1668 01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:04,609 being or whatever it is running toward 1669 01:08:09,819 --> 01:08:07,369 the law is really wacky he said it was 1670 01:08:12,329 --> 01:08:09,829 running like this like try good see how 1671 01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:12,339 this is audio for a lot of people but 1672 01:08:17,890 --> 01:08:15,520 you know yeah it was it was running like 1673 01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:17,900 they knew it wasn't a person the way it 1674 01:08:21,789 --> 01:08:19,250 was running and how it was catching up 1675 01:08:22,990 --> 01:08:21,799 but it was a humanoid and for it to be 1676 01:08:24,820 --> 01:08:23,000 able to run while they're trying to 1677 01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:24,830 accelerate away to run that type of 1678 01:08:28,900 --> 01:08:26,810 speed they're going straight and this 1679 01:08:31,050 --> 01:08:28,910 thing's way back over here coming at an 1680 01:08:33,789 --> 01:08:31,060 angle to catch up to him yeah and I 1681 01:08:37,180 --> 01:08:33,799 remembered the guy to the left was 1682 01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:37,190 saying that it was naked it was like no 1683 01:08:41,709 --> 01:08:41,120 clothes just white skin bright white 1684 01:08:44,829 --> 01:08:41,719 skin 1685 01:08:46,959 --> 01:08:44,839 well upside down head but they didn't 1686 01:08:50,289 --> 01:08:46,969 describe eyes nose mouth or nothing just 1687 01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:50,299 uh just a white silhouette or whatever 1688 01:08:55,209 --> 01:08:53,120 you want to call it yeah no face on this 1689 01:08:57,490 --> 01:08:55,219 being but they said when it got up to 1690 01:08:59,559 --> 01:08:57,500 the car he screaming it's getting closer 1691 01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,569 it's getting closer he's gonna is he 1692 01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:01,040 he's on us and then there was a boom 1693 01:09:06,370 --> 01:09:02,719 yeah and everything went white inside 1694 01:09:07,870 --> 01:09:06,380 Wow boy that sounds like a scary movie 1695 01:09:10,959 --> 01:09:07,880 or a nightmare you know it just sounds 1696 01:09:13,870 --> 01:09:10,969 like really something so I can totally 1697 01:09:16,899 --> 01:09:13,880 get why they were the way they were 1698 01:09:18,669 --> 01:09:16,909 the whole situation and and why the the 1699 01:09:23,249 --> 01:09:18,679 smoke was coming out of the house but 1700 01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:23,259 you know had to mellow out a little bit 1701 01:09:28,629 --> 01:09:26,270 in a case like that when you take 1702 01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:28,639 information are they expecting to hear 1703 01:09:36,099 --> 01:09:31,370 back are they expecting to hear you know 1704 01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:36,109 an explanation of what they saw these 1705 01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:38,089 guys didn't I 1706 01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:39,920 they wanted an explanation that minute 1707 01:09:44,379 --> 01:09:42,080 that's that's what they wanted to get 1708 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:44,389 there what is this why did this happen 1709 01:09:47,740 --> 01:09:44,690 to us 1710 01:09:49,809 --> 01:09:47,750 I've told it straight up how we do 1711 01:09:51,519 --> 01:09:49,819 things and how I write a report and how 1712 01:09:53,860 --> 01:09:51,529 it goes into the CMS and it's there for 1713 01:09:55,450 --> 01:09:53,870 UFO research purposes other 1714 01:09:57,100 --> 01:09:55,460 investigators might be able to use this 1715 01:09:58,419 --> 01:09:57,110 case in the future that might link to 1716 01:10:00,879 --> 01:09:58,429 something else so you're actually 1717 01:10:05,410 --> 01:10:00,889 helping in a way but that's about sparse 1718 01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:05,420 it's gonna go on follow-up they didn't 1719 01:10:09,070 --> 01:10:07,280 want to follow up if you know what I 1720 01:10:10,810 --> 01:10:09,080 mean they just they wanted to do this 1721 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:10,820 one time and leave me the hell alone 1722 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:12,650 it's what they were saying I'm gonna 1723 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:14,810 agree to do this but you guys stop 1724 01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:16,370 calling and leave us alone we want to be 1725 01:10:21,879 --> 01:10:19,040 left alone we want to get back to our so 1726 01:10:24,090 --> 01:10:21,889 that to them they felt harassed but I 1727 01:10:26,140 --> 01:10:24,100 know I only called him once one time 1728 01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:26,150 never getting blown up a week before 1729 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:30,710 from Bigelow's men and Bigelow showed up 1730 01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:32,330 at their house and they weren't invited 1731 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:35,510 you know and so it definitely didn't 1732 01:10:40,990 --> 01:10:37,730 then they didn't want to be they didn't 1733 01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:41,000 realize that they contact and move on to 1734 01:10:45,310 --> 01:10:43,040 expect a MUFON representative come and 1735 01:10:47,530 --> 01:10:45,320 now some somebody else is showing up 1736 01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:47,540 that that to them that was misleading 1737 01:10:52,689 --> 01:10:50,480 and they felt slight betrayed on 1738 01:10:54,970 --> 01:10:52,699 whatever yeah I want to keep this secret 1739 01:10:56,919 --> 01:10:54,980 and how is another company now know 1740 01:10:58,780 --> 01:10:56,929 about it and coming in that they were 1741 01:11:00,430 --> 01:10:58,790 really upset about that what year I was 1742 01:11:01,450 --> 01:11:00,440 very lucky to get it getting the 1743 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:01,460 interview through them in the first 1744 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:03,650 place hmm were you gonna ask what year 1745 01:11:09,399 --> 01:11:05,170 was that did that happen 1746 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:09,409 2008 now when when wouldn't it be 1747 01:11:14,590 --> 01:11:11,330 interesting ten years later to find out 1748 01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,600 I know you can't do this but I mean it 1749 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:15,920 would be really interesting to talk to 1750 01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:18,650 them now and see for one thing if 1751 01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:21,409 anything else has happened and for 1752 01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:23,000 another thing if they've had you know 1753 01:11:27,729 --> 01:11:26,449 like dreams or you know or any of the 1754 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:27,739 clarity of what happened 1755 01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:30,050 they were actually drawn up into a craft 1756 01:11:36,669 --> 01:11:33,289 if they've had you know you said that 1757 01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:36,679 they gained their memory back of what 1758 01:11:41,049 --> 01:11:38,960 was going on and perhaps say they got it 1759 01:11:43,779 --> 01:11:41,059 all back you never know right 1760 01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,789 you know but they probably or if they 1761 01:11:48,009 --> 01:11:45,199 are they're probably just keeping it to 1762 01:11:51,759 --> 01:11:48,019 themselves if that could be the case but 1763 01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:51,769 I believe after you know once they start 1764 01:11:55,330 --> 01:11:52,880 telling their stories they were 1765 01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:55,340 comfortable with me during that during 1766 01:11:58,419 --> 01:11:57,170 that time of the interview process I 1767 01:12:01,450 --> 01:11:58,429 believe he would have told me everything 1768 01:12:04,509 --> 01:12:01,460 that he would have you know he they both 1769 01:12:06,459 --> 01:12:04,519 the memory stops there actually they 1770 01:12:08,890 --> 01:12:06,469 don't even remember they just remembered 1771 01:12:10,930 --> 01:12:08,900 that they hit somebody and when they got 1772 01:12:13,149 --> 01:12:10,940 out of the car all the memories came 1773 01:12:14,919 --> 01:12:13,159 back both of them well actually they 1774 01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:14,929 would start talking and then God don't 1775 01:12:18,669 --> 01:12:16,730 you remember this thing coming over and 1776 01:12:19,540 --> 01:12:18,679 he goes yeah I kind of do and then all 1777 01:12:21,910 --> 01:12:19,550 of a sudden do you remember the guy 1778 01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,920 running on side of the road and then it 1779 01:12:25,149 --> 01:12:23,840 all came backs kind of like a dream well 1780 01:12:25,689 --> 01:12:25,159 you wait they describe it as like a 1781 01:12:27,759 --> 01:12:25,699 dream 1782 01:12:29,229 --> 01:12:27,769 where you wake up and you're trying to 1783 01:12:31,239 --> 01:12:29,239 remember that dream you just need a 1784 01:12:33,580 --> 01:12:31,249 couple of key words to trigger so you 1785 01:12:35,379 --> 01:12:33,590 can get those memories that's the way 1786 01:12:38,020 --> 01:12:35,389 they described it but they did that 1787 01:12:39,729 --> 01:12:38,030 missing time they were missing for they 1788 01:12:42,129 --> 01:12:39,739 should have been home an hour an hour 1789 01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:42,139 and 20 minutes early they were an hour 1790 01:12:46,750 --> 01:12:44,719 20 minutes late when they got home and 1791 01:12:48,489 --> 01:12:46,760 you know a lot of people don't realize 1792 01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:48,499 this but you know this missing time 1793 01:12:54,609 --> 01:12:52,489 thing is when someone has that happen 1794 01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:54,619 it's most likely the first time they've 1795 01:12:57,879 --> 01:12:56,449 ever heard of a situation like that 1796 01:13:02,770 --> 01:12:57,889 they've never heard of missing time 1797 01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:02,780 before no and no they didn't they just 1798 01:13:08,830 --> 01:13:05,449 said that they that had no memory of the 1799 01:13:11,410 --> 01:13:08,840 time but that hour or that they believed 1800 01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:11,420 that they whatever what it was took that 1801 01:13:15,970 --> 01:13:13,369 time away from him they were 100% on 1802 01:13:19,060 --> 01:13:15,980 that yeah yeah I mean there's so many 1803 01:13:20,919 --> 01:13:19,070 questions that you could ask like you 1804 01:13:23,470 --> 01:13:20,929 know what happened to the vehicle to the 1805 01:13:25,810 --> 01:13:23,480 vehicle stay to the side of the road and 1806 01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:25,820 wait for them to come back and then you 1807 01:13:29,799 --> 01:13:27,610 know they were put in place and 1808 01:13:31,569 --> 01:13:29,809 mechanically started driving without 1809 01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:31,579 them knowing it you know all these 1810 01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:34,159 questions you know would be interesting 1811 01:13:39,549 --> 01:13:36,880 but from their memories white light or 1812 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:39,559 being lifted up and then back on the 1813 01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:41,250 road driving the 1814 01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:44,490 happy in a good mood yeah so you've gone 1815 01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:48,000 from extreme fear to nothingness to an 1816 01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:50,310 hour of missing time - we're having a 1817 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:51,870 great time as one of the best road trips 1818 01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:53,370 we ever been alone slapping high-fives 1819 01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:55,380 or whatever and then one of them go well 1820 01:14:00,230 --> 01:13:56,730 well let's don't have too much fun yet 1821 01:14:02,780 --> 01:14:00,240 then we hit somebody yeah you know oh no 1822 01:14:04,580 --> 01:14:02,790 no we did well maybe yeah we did well 1823 01:14:06,350 --> 01:14:04,590 this is a rent-a-car let's pull over and 1824 01:14:09,020 --> 01:14:06,360 see what happened you know we're gonna 1825 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:09,030 have to pay for this and then all 1826 01:14:13,010 --> 01:14:10,890 started clicking in like right there at 1827 01:14:14,450 --> 01:14:13,020 that moment when they got out and they 1828 01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:14,460 were walking around they pulled off side 1829 01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:16,560 road and then they were terrified in a 1830 01:14:20,510 --> 01:14:18,480 trip wasn't fun coming home obviously 1831 01:14:21,050 --> 01:14:20,520 trying to figure out what the hell 1832 01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:21,060 happened 1833 01:14:26,540 --> 01:14:23,490 realized that time your time was wrong 1834 01:14:28,510 --> 01:14:26,550 and so they reported it to move on I'd 1835 01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:28,520 like to ask him had to hear about we 1836 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:32,580 just we're gonna report a UFO and filled 1837 01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:34,970 it out and put it in there yeah that's 1838 01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:37,290 yeah like I said when I had my sighting 1839 01:14:41,780 --> 01:14:39,090 I never even thought to look online now 1840 01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:41,790 there was a story I'm gonna say that I 1841 01:14:48,620 --> 01:14:45,110 want to say Denise stoner told me of 1842 01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:48,630 kind of a similar incident of driving 1843 01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:51,060 along and I don't want to get this wrong 1844 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:53,040 I don't want to misquote her but it was 1845 01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:55,290 kind of the similar thing you know they 1846 01:15:00,980 --> 01:14:57,450 were something happened while they were 1847 01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:00,990 driving and was drawn up and she 1848 01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:04,110 remembers like being inside of whatever 1849 01:15:08,330 --> 01:15:05,760 it was and she thought it was like 1850 01:15:10,670 --> 01:15:08,340 whatever the craft was was like living 1851 01:15:12,740 --> 01:15:10,680 which is really bizarre like it was a 1852 01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:12,750 living breathing thing you know not 1853 01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:16,880 maybe not breathing but something but 1854 01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:19,650 there's a number of cases also where 1855 01:15:25,190 --> 01:15:22,020 four people claiming if they were 1856 01:15:26,900 --> 01:15:25,200 tracked in their car as as this thing 1857 01:15:31,550 --> 01:15:26,910 you know whatever was going on with them 1858 01:15:33,140 --> 01:15:31,560 a lot of stories about that which we 1859 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:33,150 have an episode on hangar 1 called 1860 01:15:36,890 --> 01:15:34,410 hunted by UFOs 1861 01:15:39,650 --> 01:15:36,900 and it's just cases exactly what you're 1862 01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,660 describing being followed being tracked 1863 01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:41,280 especially while they're new vehicles 1864 01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:43,860 watching it and still staying with them 1865 01:15:48,410 --> 01:15:46,170 there's a whole episode on that but 1866 01:15:51,700 --> 01:15:48,420 there's many more great cases that could 1867 01:15:54,649 --> 01:15:51,710 have been in that show yeah it happens 1868 01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:54,659 more than often that's for sure 1869 01:15:59,359 --> 01:15:56,880 no it's not like an isolated case right 1870 01:16:02,120 --> 01:15:59,369 right and and it and it kind of makes 1871 01:16:05,929 --> 01:16:02,130 sense you know I mean it's kind of like 1872 01:16:07,429 --> 01:16:05,939 if you were flying over and well there's 1873 01:16:10,549 --> 01:16:07,439 really nothing to compare it to really 1874 01:16:12,770 --> 01:16:10,559 but you know just if if something is 1875 01:16:15,409 --> 01:16:12,780 exploring the earth you know that would 1876 01:16:17,959 --> 01:16:15,419 be like you know if something's isolated 1877 01:16:19,429 --> 01:16:17,969 and you know there's beings piloting 1878 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:19,439 something you'd probably be interested 1879 01:16:23,719 --> 01:16:22,650 in it was that the most spectacular that 1880 01:16:25,729 --> 01:16:23,729 sounds like it would be the most 1881 01:16:27,709 --> 01:16:25,739 spectacular case you ever ever 1882 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:27,719 investigated would you say it is I would 1883 01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:29,610 say that's the most craziest case I've 1884 01:16:36,350 --> 01:16:33,900 ever investigated out of 120 or 50 cases 1885 01:16:38,449 --> 01:16:36,360 I've done yeah yeah that would be I 1886 01:16:41,029 --> 01:16:38,459 don't really think any of my other cases 1887 01:16:43,129 --> 01:16:41,039 compare I mean most of them are just I 1888 01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:43,139 saw something strange it zipped off to 1889 01:16:47,870 --> 01:16:46,169 somebody having constant experiences and 1890 01:16:49,429 --> 01:16:47,880 listening to their life story of what's 1891 01:16:52,009 --> 01:16:49,439 going on I've had cases like that where 1892 01:16:53,870 --> 01:16:52,019 a guy has told me his life story of 1893 01:16:57,290 --> 01:16:53,880 things that's a hard case to put 1894 01:17:00,290 --> 01:16:57,300 together but now this one I'll never 1895 01:17:02,629 --> 01:17:00,300 forget this one yeah I would say that's 1896 01:17:04,549 --> 01:17:02,639 the that's the strangest case here are 1897 01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:04,559 some they were kind of yeah and you're 1898 01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:06,449 you're very confident so that before 1899 01:17:11,689 --> 01:17:09,570 they were they everything seems like 1900 01:17:14,270 --> 01:17:11,699 they're they're credible as far as they 1901 01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:14,280 didn't really want to talk about it no 1902 01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:15,360 they did not 1903 01:17:21,529 --> 01:17:18,719 yeah everything was I believe them yeah 1904 01:17:23,149 --> 01:17:21,539 I don't have no proof but I would bet my 1905 01:17:24,859 --> 01:17:23,159 last paycheck or whatever that these 1906 01:17:26,540 --> 01:17:24,869 guys were telling me the truth yeah all 1907 01:17:28,580 --> 01:17:26,550 the way it wasn't a hoax or anything 1908 01:17:31,009 --> 01:17:28,590 like that they were scared I could see 1909 01:17:35,569 --> 01:17:31,019 the fear in their eyes yeah they were 1910 01:17:38,929 --> 01:17:35,579 hoping I've had answers yeah that is 1911 01:17:40,850 --> 01:17:38,939 that the problem with with all these 1912 01:17:44,330 --> 01:17:40,860 things is you know the proof part of it 1913 01:17:47,419 --> 01:17:44,340 it's all anecdotal there's no there's 1914 01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:47,429 nothing you know that there's no solid 1915 01:17:53,659 --> 01:17:52,169 evidence that we know of yet and and 1916 01:17:55,279 --> 01:17:53,669 these things are you know they're 1917 01:17:59,870 --> 01:17:55,289 spontaneous they come in and out of 1918 01:18:01,699 --> 01:17:59,880 people's lives and and that's why you 1919 01:18:02,959 --> 01:18:01,709 know some of these UFO we were talking 1920 01:18:07,339 --> 01:18:02,969 about earlier some of these UFO 1921 01:18:09,979 --> 01:18:07,349 detection ideas get off the ground 1922 01:18:13,129 --> 01:18:09,989 and look I don't know what it would take 1923 01:18:14,959 --> 01:18:13,139 huh between you and me my take on that I 1924 01:18:15,410 --> 01:18:14,969 just want to tell you I think it's a 1925 01:18:17,930 --> 01:18:15,420 waste of time 1926 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:17,940 okay go ahead the reason why is because 1927 01:18:23,089 --> 01:18:21,090 they're so ahead yeah if they want to be 1928 01:18:24,260 --> 01:18:23,099 detected they get detected if you're 1929 01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:24,270 trying to catch them they're smart 1930 01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:25,440 enough to know what you're trying to do 1931 01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:26,960 and you ain't gonna get caught that's 1932 01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:30,449 that's what I think I think it's a waste 1933 01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:32,610 of time but hey you know what good luck 1934 01:18:38,569 --> 01:18:35,360 trying I know that there's a couple of 1935 01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:38,579 the thing about it is is that the best 1936 01:18:43,790 --> 01:18:41,070 way I would say to detect the UFO is you 1937 01:18:44,930 --> 01:18:43,800 being out there personally observing 1938 01:18:47,089 --> 01:18:44,940 with your own eyes 1939 01:18:49,010 --> 01:18:47,099 yeah and in using the equipment that you 1940 01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:49,020 have with you 1941 01:18:53,899 --> 01:18:51,239 cameras or whatever you want but you 1942 01:18:56,990 --> 01:18:53,909 need to be present yeah because 1943 01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,000 consciousness plays a big role and and 1944 01:19:02,990 --> 01:18:59,520 the real UFOs not the stuff that we've 1945 01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:03,000 got I know for from my own personal 1946 01:19:12,109 --> 01:19:07,520 experiences that to be true that if you 1947 01:19:14,359 --> 01:19:12,119 see one it sees you I don't care who you 1948 01:19:16,490 --> 01:19:14,369 know that's we have a radar system in 1949 01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:16,500 our Jets that track heat and so you know 1950 01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:18,960 these things have a way to track your 1951 01:19:23,810 --> 01:19:21,360 consciousness my if there was a 1952 01:19:25,580 --> 01:19:23,820 grasshopper on a piece of grass and a 1953 01:19:27,169 --> 01:19:25,590 UFO was her be right above and the 1954 01:19:29,089 --> 01:19:27,179 grasshopper looked at it the UFO would 1955 01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:29,099 know the grasshopper Cesar I think 1956 01:19:32,990 --> 01:19:30,480 that's how they work so if you ever see 1957 01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:33,000 a real UFO I'd recommend you can say in 1958 01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:35,130 your mind hey if you are who I think you 1959 01:19:38,330 --> 01:19:36,780 are could you move they left to move to 1960 01:19:41,569 --> 01:19:38,340 the right to verify it see if it does 1961 01:19:43,129 --> 01:19:41,579 yeah yeah I remember it they know they 1962 01:19:45,620 --> 01:19:43,139 know I don't care how far away they are 1963 01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:45,630 or how close they are they know you see 1964 01:19:51,339 --> 01:19:49,380 them I was up I had Ted row you know I 1965 01:19:54,109 --> 01:19:51,349 don't know if you know Ted row is know 1966 01:19:57,109 --> 01:19:54,119 yeah yeah I had him on my show and and 1967 01:19:59,109 --> 01:19:57,119 he told this fantastic story about I 1968 01:20:04,089 --> 01:19:59,119 think he said it was in Oakland and 1969 01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:04,099 where he saw of the UFO and he knew that 1970 01:20:10,100 --> 01:20:07,040 it knew that he was in the car somehow 1971 01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:10,110 you know I mean it is it is totally 1972 01:20:15,740 --> 01:20:12,960 bizarre and I think it could if 1973 01:20:18,620 --> 01:20:15,750 intelligence can be you know what we 1974 01:20:21,140 --> 01:20:18,630 can't even imagine you're what you're 1975 01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:21,150 saying is probably right 1976 01:20:26,510 --> 01:20:24,480 I for me I'm saying 100% because I've 1977 01:20:30,650 --> 01:20:26,520 experienced it myself over and over 1978 01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:30,660 through my life observing and having a 1979 01:20:38,420 --> 01:20:34,590 feeling or a knowing that's undeniable 1980 01:20:42,110 --> 01:20:38,430 you just it's just like me it's hard to 1981 01:20:45,230 --> 01:20:42,120 explain but you know that's actually in 1982 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:45,240 realities say onion race Stanford has 1983 01:20:54,350 --> 01:20:48,570 talked about that feeling I get that 1984 01:20:56,420 --> 01:20:54,360 feeling - yeah it's a Iona I can give 1985 01:20:58,430 --> 01:20:56,430 you a couple examples one time being in 1986 01:21:00,710 --> 01:20:58,440 the girlfriend or recently we're on the 1987 01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:00,720 porch just like a couple of weeks ago 1988 01:21:04,340 --> 01:21:02,370 and I said you know I'm getting that 1989 01:21:05,780 --> 01:21:04,350 feeling and I don't I don't give it all 1990 01:21:08,420 --> 01:21:05,790 the time I probably had it happen to me 1991 01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:08,430 maybe four or five times in my life okay 1992 01:21:12,050 --> 01:21:10,380 and I started getting that feeling I'm 1993 01:21:13,550 --> 01:21:12,060 like I feel like that presence that I 1994 01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:13,560 felt before and I'm looking up I don't 1995 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:15,750 see nothing at all but then the phone 1996 01:21:20,060 --> 01:21:17,610 rings it's one of my friends from Texas 1997 01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:20,070 that's never seen a UFO and he's calling 1998 01:21:23,870 --> 01:21:21,450 me telling me he's seeing a UFO right 1999 01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:23,880 now and I find it kind of strange yeah 2000 01:21:28,610 --> 01:21:26,570 he tells me all about it he hangs up 2001 01:21:30,500 --> 01:21:28,620 then I get another phone call from 2002 01:21:32,690 --> 01:21:30,510 another friend now keep in mind these 2003 01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:32,700 two guys know each other but they didn't 2004 01:21:36,650 --> 01:21:34,050 talk about their sighting to each other 2005 01:21:38,900 --> 01:21:36,660 they called me and one of my friends 2006 01:21:41,780 --> 01:21:38,910 said that he saw a UFO two nights ago 2007 01:21:43,370 --> 01:21:41,790 same location and if he wanted to call 2008 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:43,380 and tell me about it and I just it was 2009 01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:46,650 just so synced up and so it was almost 2010 01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:48,120 like once I got off the phone I was like 2011 01:21:52,340 --> 01:21:49,650 I felt it and then two of my friends 2012 01:21:54,490 --> 01:21:52,350 who've never seen UFOs or calling me and 2013 01:21:57,470 --> 01:21:54,500 telling me they saw one not the same day 2014 01:21:58,670 --> 01:21:57,480 but it's just kind of kind of weird 2015 01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:58,680 that's the only time I've had that 2016 01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:00,960 feeling where I didn't see anything but 2017 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:02,910 that is strange that right away my 2018 01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:06,090 phone's ringing and to one of my 2019 01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:09,210 skeptical friends was blown away by what 2020 01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:11,250 he saw Wow 2021 01:22:16,340 --> 01:22:14,490 when I collaborate on I like how much 2022 01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:16,350 time to week yeah yeah we got we got 2023 01:22:22,460 --> 01:22:17,810 about a half hour right now 2024 01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:22,470 perfect yeah well in 2008 around that 2025 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:25,320 time when you know I completed that case 2026 01:22:32,420 --> 01:22:30,570 and stuff I was out in the backyard in a 2027 01:22:34,459 --> 01:22:32,430 tent Victoria Texas and it was probably 2028 01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:34,469 like 1:30 in the morning 2029 01:22:39,290 --> 01:22:36,000 and I was about ready to go to bed and I 2030 01:22:41,150 --> 01:22:39,300 was smoking my last cigarette and it was 2031 01:22:42,620 --> 01:22:41,160 a it was a clear night there was no 2032 01:22:44,689 --> 01:22:42,630 clouds 2033 01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:44,699 but there was one cloud off in the 2034 01:22:48,770 --> 01:22:46,440 distance coming towards me and it was 2035 01:22:51,260 --> 01:22:48,780 oval-shaped cloud and I was looking at 2036 01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:51,270 it and I go that looks like it like a 2037 01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:53,850 UFO you know just look perfect it was 2038 01:22:57,380 --> 01:22:55,500 coming straight towards me I didn't 2039 01:22:59,240 --> 01:22:57,390 think much about it I'm looking around 2040 01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:59,250 doing my thing and I start seeing clouds 2041 01:23:04,610 --> 01:23:01,800 getting closer and closer and the city 2042 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:04,620 lights are bouncing off of the 2043 01:23:08,660 --> 01:23:06,330 underbelly of the clouds so I could see 2044 01:23:10,010 --> 01:23:08,670 it lit up really well and then once it 2045 01:23:12,020 --> 01:23:10,020 went right over my head you know I'm 2046 01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:12,030 looking at it well I think much of it I 2047 01:23:17,570 --> 01:23:14,850 decided to look down and the whole 2048 01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:17,580 backyard lit up bright blue like just it 2049 01:23:24,140 --> 01:23:21,440 was daytime okay it was it was like noon 2050 01:23:26,090 --> 01:23:24,150 for like a second or two and I remember 2051 01:23:27,950 --> 01:23:26,100 jerking my I felt this little tap on my 2052 01:23:29,090 --> 01:23:27,960 head like if you took your finger and 2053 01:23:31,220 --> 01:23:29,100 tapped yourself on the head when that 2054 01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:31,230 light came on and I'd lived close to a 2055 01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:32,850 cemetery now at nighttime you can't see 2056 01:23:37,459 --> 01:23:35,610 any tombstones it's just pitch black but 2057 01:23:39,740 --> 01:23:37,469 that second when I jerked my head up I 2058 01:23:42,169 --> 01:23:39,750 could see everything I see all 2059 01:23:44,750 --> 01:23:42,179 tombstones all trees I could see from 2060 01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:44,760 the horizon so this was like lightning 2061 01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:48,210 striking early right no it was noon a 2062 01:23:55,370 --> 01:23:53,489 time Wow daytime blue skies it was noon 2063 01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:55,380 that's all I could say it's like date 2064 01:24:01,040 --> 01:23:57,960 it's like 1:30 morning noon for like a 2065 01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:01,050 couple of seconds you know and I like I 2066 01:24:05,630 --> 01:24:02,760 said I felt this tapping on my head and 2067 01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:05,640 I jerked back up my head to look up and 2068 01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:07,650 of course the clouds being still it's 2069 01:24:12,530 --> 01:24:09,810 right there but inside a cloud is this 2070 01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:12,540 doughnut shaped UFO Hey look like hey 2071 01:24:15,890 --> 01:24:14,489 windows around it it wasn't hollow 2072 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:15,900 through the center but it did have a 2073 01:24:20,919 --> 01:24:17,730 like a depression that went up in it and 2074 01:24:23,660 --> 01:24:20,929 it was it was solid it was metallic and 2075 01:24:25,370 --> 01:24:23,670 the the windows or whatever I want to 2076 01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:25,380 call it is where that light came from 2077 01:24:29,900 --> 01:24:27,449 and I remembered when I looked up I've 2078 01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:29,910 watched a light retract like a curtain 2079 01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:33,480 or like water go back up into that 2080 01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:34,800 doughnut shaped craft where those 2081 01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:38,940 windows are and then a cloud and the 2082 01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,710 cloud stayed there and it didn't move 2083 01:24:45,470 --> 01:24:42,960 and I stood out in that backyard for 2084 01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:45,480 30-40 minutes looking up at this cloud 2085 01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:46,480 and watching 2086 01:24:50,010 --> 01:24:47,710 when the cloud would start to lose a 2087 01:24:52,050 --> 01:24:50,020 little bit of its fluff you know on the 2088 01:24:54,150 --> 01:24:52,060 corner ends a little bit more to be 2089 01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:54,160 generated to fill out the other side to 2090 01:25:00,630 --> 01:24:57,970 make it perfect and I my reaction was I 2091 01:25:02,940 --> 01:25:00,640 just I think I jumped in excitement I 2092 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:02,950 wasn't scared I think I gave a thumbs-up 2093 01:25:06,210 --> 01:25:05,290 I don't know if it's the military 2094 01:25:08,820 --> 01:25:06,220 playing games 2095 01:25:11,220 --> 01:25:08,830 hey let's fly by and fly our high tech 2096 01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,230 craft over this UFO enthusiasts house 2097 01:25:15,210 --> 01:25:13,840 and shine a light down on them or it was 2098 01:25:16,890 --> 01:25:15,220 them like I said I didn't feel a feeling 2099 01:25:20,700 --> 01:25:16,900 but I'm down there trying to figure out 2100 01:25:21,710 --> 01:25:20,710 what what what this is then the cops 2101 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:21,720 start coming through my neighborhood 2102 01:25:26,700 --> 01:25:23,530 whole bunch of cops 2103 01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,710 what parked right outside my front yard 2104 01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:28,480 I remember looking through the fence and 2105 01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:30,130 I was thinking I should I think they saw 2106 01:25:34,710 --> 01:25:31,570 it I'm gonna go out and talk to him and 2107 01:25:35,820 --> 01:25:34,720 tell him what I saw but part of me said 2108 01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:35,830 don't you do it because he's probably 2109 01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,450 gonna think you you did you have 2110 01:25:41,310 --> 01:25:39,120 something to do with this and you might 2111 01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:41,320 he might throw you in jail or something 2112 01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:43,090 I just part of me I just didn't go out 2113 01:25:47,070 --> 01:25:45,550 and talk but I know that with all the 2114 01:25:50,610 --> 01:25:47,080 cops are gonna neighborhood they saw it 2115 01:25:53,580 --> 01:25:50,620 too you know where someone had courted 2116 01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:53,590 someone reported it locally I think 2117 01:25:58,140 --> 01:25:54,970 they're probably on the ship I'm telling 2118 01:26:00,810 --> 01:25:58,150 you the whole town was daytime noon I 2119 01:26:03,090 --> 01:26:00,820 looked the whole way from Horizon it was 2120 01:26:05,070 --> 01:26:03,100 daytime the whole is like all globe just 2121 01:26:06,990 --> 01:26:05,080 day it's like we go outside right now 2122 01:26:11,460 --> 01:26:07,000 that's what it looked like it was bright 2123 01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:11,470 it was all in about two seconds and to 2124 01:26:15,780 --> 01:26:14,530 me it's right above my head I was 2125 01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:15,790 observing it when it was coming towards 2126 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:19,090 me I I don't want to sound what's the 2127 01:26:25,950 --> 01:26:23,890 word ego or whatever but to meet what I 2128 01:26:29,729 --> 01:26:25,960 want to say is I think it was saying hi 2129 01:26:30,930 --> 01:26:29,739 it that's that's it like we're watching 2130 01:26:33,330 --> 01:26:30,940 you I know who you are 2131 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:33,340 I didn't get no telepathic communication 2132 01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:35,530 anything like that but - but that little 2133 01:26:40,290 --> 01:26:37,570 tap on the head you take your finger and 2134 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:40,300 just tap yourself like a little thunk it 2135 01:26:46,020 --> 01:26:42,970 was like look up whatever it hit the top 2136 01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:46,030 of my head and that's it that's all I 2137 01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:48,880 could say that's probably from the March 2138 01:26:54,660 --> 01:26:52,239 20th 1996 and this sighting were the two 2139 01:26:57,420 --> 01:26:54,670 best sightings and I'm a whole life that 2140 01:26:59,880 --> 01:26:57,430 I'll never forget the rest of I've had a 2141 01:27:02,340 --> 01:26:59,890 lot of a lot in between 2142 01:27:07,980 --> 01:27:02,350 were strange where I wanted to see a UFO 2143 01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:07,990 really bad and it showed up you know Wow 2144 01:27:12,930 --> 01:27:10,810 so were this once this particular one I 2145 01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:12,940 know was like you said 1:00 or 1:30 in 2146 01:27:15,150 --> 01:27:13,450 the morning 2147 01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:15,160 did you feel like you wanted to get 2148 01:27:23,310 --> 01:27:19,650 witnesses no hmm nope 2149 01:27:26,190 --> 01:27:23,320 from past experience in life no it's a 2150 01:27:29,250 --> 01:27:26,200 waste of time yeah and actually the 2151 01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:29,260 point of it I felt like like I said the 2152 01:27:35,820 --> 01:27:32,410 ego part that it was meant for me and me 2153 01:27:38,250 --> 01:27:35,830 only as and that's that's what I was 2154 01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:38,260 thinking during that time but I will 2155 01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:40,480 share that experience with anybody you 2156 01:27:44,970 --> 01:27:42,490 know and of course no eyewitnesses so 2157 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:44,980 that one's not you know but that's what 2158 01:27:51,450 --> 01:27:47,530 happened and that was in August of 2008 2159 01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:51,460 so that's those two I usually talk about 2160 01:27:57,540 --> 01:27:54,610 the March 20th 1960 I buy witnesses but 2161 01:28:00,120 --> 01:27:57,550 that one was just as spectacular because 2162 01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:00,130 it was close that first that one I 2163 01:28:03,390 --> 01:28:01,210 talked about in the beginning was a 2164 01:28:06,210 --> 01:28:03,400 hundred feet off the ground okay this 2165 01:28:09,330 --> 01:28:06,220 could have been 200 feet but it's still 2166 01:28:13,220 --> 01:28:09,340 close to counter first kind it's 500 2167 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:13,230 feet or less so it's right up close also 2168 01:28:19,460 --> 01:28:16,530 it could be of ce-5 you want to 2169 01:28:21,630 --> 01:28:19,470 characterize that cook there's like a 2170 01:28:24,030 --> 01:28:21,640 transformation but I've already had the 2171 01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:24,040 experience so to me this wasn't my first 2172 01:28:29,130 --> 01:28:26,890 rodeo and it wasn't like I'm gonna react 2173 01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:29,140 a certain way it's just it happen again 2174 01:28:33,090 --> 01:28:32,110 and just to take it all in as much as 2175 01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:33,100 you can because they usually don't 2176 01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:35,080 usually for a few seconds and it's gone 2177 01:28:40,050 --> 01:28:38,050 but I knew when that cloud was above me 2178 01:28:40,740 --> 01:28:40,060 it was still inside there I just 2179 01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:40,750 couldn't see it 2180 01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:43,450 Wow right that light there has been 2181 01:28:49,980 --> 01:28:47,050 speculations about you know clouds and 2182 01:28:53,490 --> 01:28:49,990 UFOs like hiding in the clouds which 2183 01:28:57,960 --> 01:28:53,500 actually would be a very stealth way to 2184 01:29:01,380 --> 01:28:57,970 do to do that the bizarre part I think 2185 01:29:04,830 --> 01:29:01,390 the bizarre part is it lighting up the 2186 01:29:07,140 --> 01:29:04,840 sky that bright you know what could that 2187 01:29:10,770 --> 01:29:07,150 possibly have been about needs to take a 2188 01:29:13,259 --> 01:29:10,780 picture that was a flag for right sure i 2189 01:29:15,329 --> 01:29:13,269 I thought this is what the women 2190 01:29:17,729 --> 01:29:15,339 to happen the first thought to pop my 2191 01:29:21,199 --> 01:29:17,739 mind is going that is powerful 2192 01:29:23,639 --> 01:29:21,209 yes power guys oh I mean it was just 2193 01:29:26,519 --> 01:29:23,649 that's what I was thinking whatever that 2194 01:29:28,349 --> 01:29:26,529 thing is it is powerful it's like you 2195 01:29:29,909 --> 01:29:28,359 just lift the whole sky you just turn 2196 01:29:33,289 --> 01:29:29,919 needs a turn to light switch on like his 2197 01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:33,299 day time yeah turn nine in the day it's 2198 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:34,449 unbelievable 2199 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:36,010 there are so many people that report 2200 01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:39,010 seeing like some type of craft that has 2201 01:29:44,759 --> 01:29:42,249 windows like yeah it looked like it had 2202 01:29:46,739 --> 01:29:44,769 windows around the side but that it was 2203 01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:46,749 that's that could have been I'm thinking 2204 01:29:50,519 --> 01:29:48,729 the engine or not engine but that's 2205 01:29:52,979 --> 01:29:50,529 where the light came out of was out of 2206 01:29:56,669 --> 01:29:52,989 those little square windows around the 2207 01:29:58,199 --> 01:29:56,679 rim of the donut you know yeah all the 2208 01:30:01,019 --> 01:29:58,209 way around I don't know how many but 2209 01:30:03,599 --> 01:30:01,029 they were evenly spaced rectangular 2210 01:30:06,539 --> 01:30:03,609 windows yeah that's where the blue light 2211 01:30:08,759 --> 01:30:06,549 and the light was strange on itself it 2212 01:30:10,679 --> 01:30:08,769 wasn't like regular light it was more 2213 01:30:13,469 --> 01:30:10,689 like a curtain I don't know how to 2214 01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:13,479 explain it it was controlled light how 2215 01:30:17,759 --> 01:30:15,489 about that like if they controlled the 2216 01:30:21,119 --> 01:30:17,769 light and pulled it back so I watched 2217 01:30:22,949 --> 01:30:21,129 the light go back inside those I know 2218 01:30:25,500 --> 01:30:22,959 it's really quick but my brain was 2219 01:30:28,409 --> 01:30:25,510 catching all of it you know I could just 2220 01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:28,419 remember it all seeping back in like the 2221 01:30:32,819 --> 01:30:30,249 brightness like when it dimmed it dimmed 2222 01:30:35,399 --> 01:30:32,829 its light down I could see the windows 2223 01:30:38,969 --> 01:30:35,409 but it was a solid metal dull metal 2224 01:30:44,459 --> 01:30:38,979 craft went solid Wow 2225 01:30:46,619 --> 01:30:44,469 so did you ever like reflect back on you 2226 01:30:49,379 --> 01:30:46,629 know you had the childhood thing which 2227 01:30:52,849 --> 01:30:49,389 your father said was a meteor then you 2228 01:30:56,309 --> 01:30:52,859 had you know these fantastic sightings 2229 01:31:00,509 --> 01:30:56,319 did did you think that there was some 2230 01:31:03,509 --> 01:31:00,519 relationship to all them together during 2231 01:31:05,789 --> 01:31:03,519 that time yes but going through my life 2232 01:31:08,579 --> 01:31:05,799 no I would never put all that together I 2233 01:31:10,109 --> 01:31:08,589 had to meet other MUFON people there was 2234 01:31:13,079 --> 01:31:10,119 guy by the name you should interview him 2235 01:31:16,379 --> 01:31:13,089 his name is dr. Joseph Burks and he 2236 01:31:19,709 --> 01:31:16,389 specializes in these type of ongoing 2237 01:31:22,319 --> 01:31:19,719 cases and people like contact these he 2238 01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:22,329 was telling me I fit the criteria of a 2239 01:31:27,410 --> 01:31:25,199 prying contactee because the ability to 2240 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:27,420 want to see a sighting 2241 01:31:33,410 --> 01:31:30,570 go outside meditate or do whatever you 2242 01:31:35,150 --> 01:31:33,420 do and it shows up you know and then a 2243 01:31:36,950 --> 01:31:35,160 couple other things in my life so during 2244 01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:36,960 that moment when I had that happen to me 2245 01:31:41,630 --> 01:31:39,930 he with he already was telling me you're 2246 01:31:44,030 --> 01:31:41,640 gonna have more you know I already knew 2247 01:31:47,540 --> 01:31:44,040 I was ready for seeing another one so it 2248 01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:47,550 wasn't a surprise to me but I think if I 2249 01:31:54,950 --> 01:31:52,890 never got that let's say knowledge but 2250 01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:54,960 knew about that that that this happens 2251 01:31:59,870 --> 01:31:57,120 to a lot of people it's not I'm not 2252 01:32:01,670 --> 01:31:59,880 special it's nothing special it happens 2253 01:32:03,170 --> 01:32:01,680 to many many many people out there and 2254 01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:03,180 these are the these are the 2255 01:32:07,610 --> 01:32:06,330 characteristics of starts in their early 2256 01:32:10,460 --> 01:32:07,620 life and it goes all the way through 2257 01:32:12,980 --> 01:32:10,470 like I've never seen an alien or a being 2258 01:32:15,530 --> 01:32:12,990 or anything like that but I seen these 2259 01:32:17,990 --> 01:32:15,540 crap come up close up and personal and I 2260 01:32:19,730 --> 01:32:18,000 felt things like I knew they were coming 2261 01:32:22,210 --> 01:32:19,740 and then they'd show up and it's a good 2262 01:32:26,210 --> 01:32:22,220 feeling it's not a bad feeling it's like 2263 01:32:27,740 --> 01:32:26,220 like love like you could this is the 2264 01:32:30,620 --> 01:32:27,750 best way to describe it like an intense 2265 01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:30,630 love like maybe if you were a baby and 2266 01:32:38,330 --> 01:32:34,010 your mom was holding you you know wow 2267 01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:38,340 it's the most like it's joy intense love 2268 01:32:43,810 --> 01:32:41,130 but love is different I 2269 01:32:46,220 --> 01:32:43,820 it's something in that category it's uh 2270 01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:46,230 that's that's the best way I can 2271 01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:48,570 describe it it's so it was always has 2272 01:32:56,570 --> 01:32:50,970 been a positive feeling it was never 2273 01:33:02,150 --> 01:32:56,580 negative no fear happiness and a longing 2274 01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:02,160 this for connection Wow 2275 01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:05,760 you know who described that just about 2276 01:33:11,900 --> 01:33:09,120 exactly like that is one of the brothers 2277 01:33:15,470 --> 01:33:11,910 of a Jack and Jim I can't remember their 2278 01:33:17,740 --> 01:33:15,480 last name in the allagash incident the 2279 01:33:22,610 --> 01:33:17,750 allegation Siddhant was not familiar 2280 01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:22,620 that it's an incredible possible 2281 01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:24,960 abduction that happened in the allagash 2282 01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:25,770 and main 2283 01:33:31,270 --> 01:33:27,570 you know many years I think in the 70s 2284 01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:31,280 and I heard an interview with Jack and 2285 01:33:36,980 --> 01:33:33,840 they were about recurring things 2286 01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:36,990 happening and that's what he described 2287 01:33:40,910 --> 01:33:39,690 it he said it was like he said you know 2288 01:33:42,169 --> 01:33:40,920 he was almost embarrassed to 2289 01:33:45,650 --> 01:33:42,179 describe it but he said there was like 2290 01:33:49,220 --> 01:33:45,660 an intense love which I kind of blew me 2291 01:33:53,090 --> 01:33:49,230 away to hear him say that especially 2292 01:33:55,340 --> 01:33:53,100 because you know we're quite hostile you 2293 01:33:58,220 --> 01:33:55,350 know you look at our ourselves now in 2294 01:34:02,000 --> 01:33:58,230 our complete history of mankind we're 2295 01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:02,010 very hostile and and while we're on that 2296 01:34:09,169 --> 01:34:04,650 topic what do you do you think because 2297 01:34:10,729 --> 01:34:09,179 we are hostile that we're not making 2298 01:34:13,580 --> 01:34:10,739 more of a connection if these things are 2299 01:34:15,770 --> 01:34:13,590 actually visiting us from somewhere do 2300 01:34:19,130 --> 01:34:15,780 you think that's all part of it I can't 2301 01:34:20,780 --> 01:34:19,140 I started to think you know intelligent 2302 01:34:22,669 --> 01:34:20,790 species a lot more smart enough probably 2303 01:34:24,500 --> 01:34:22,679 don't think like us but if we had a 2304 01:34:26,300 --> 01:34:24,510 group of humans out there it's like you 2305 01:34:28,189 --> 01:34:26,310 and me let's talk about a neighborhood 2306 01:34:31,310 --> 01:34:28,199 and say your next-door neighbor has a 2307 01:34:32,890 --> 01:34:31,320 and it's just us he has a shotgun he's 2308 01:34:35,150 --> 01:34:32,900 shooting it out in his backyard 2309 01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:35,160 constantly he's over in his property but 2310 01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:36,690 you got kids and stuff running around 2311 01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:39,449 you kind of don't want to you kind of 2312 01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:40,560 want to keep that neighbor over there 2313 01:34:44,959 --> 01:34:42,719 yeah I mean and if we're detonating 2314 01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,969 Nick's and killing our own kind it would 2315 01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,800 sit back and observe if we're not a 2316 01:34:50,570 --> 01:34:48,719 threat it's not a big deal if we were a 2317 01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:50,580 threat it probably would be a big deal 2318 01:34:54,919 --> 01:34:52,170 but probably if we're start to leave 2319 01:34:57,860 --> 01:34:54,929 this planet and go what we can't go pull 2320 01:34:59,300 --> 01:34:57,870 a Cortese on other plants out there I 2321 01:35:01,280 --> 01:34:59,310 guarantee you I'm probably gonna be 2322 01:35:02,990 --> 01:35:01,290 something up there's going to be like no 2323 01:35:04,580 --> 01:35:03,000 no you ain't going to do that so they 2324 01:35:08,540 --> 01:35:04,590 probably observe us but we're probably 2325 01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:08,550 not a threat at all they would they're 2326 01:35:12,140 --> 01:35:10,380 the secret keepers yeah not the 2327 01:35:13,610 --> 01:35:12,150 government they're the ones keeping the 2328 01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:13,620 secrets they wanted to show they could 2329 01:35:17,570 --> 01:35:15,690 show themselves they wanted to I think 2330 01:35:18,620 --> 01:35:17,580 they're cautious I think they're cloaked 2331 01:35:20,750 --> 01:35:18,630 I think they're up there all the time 2332 01:35:21,740 --> 01:35:20,760 and I do but from my own experience I've 2333 01:35:25,630 --> 01:35:21,750 seen them hide in clouds 2334 01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:25,640 I think they hold all the cards 2335 01:35:30,860 --> 01:35:28,890 that it's us being hostile that might 2336 01:35:33,500 --> 01:35:30,870 just be part of our human nature it's 2337 01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:33,510 kind of like you if your neighbor is a 2338 01:35:37,970 --> 01:35:35,250 sex offender or a murderer 2339 01:35:40,459 --> 01:35:37,980 we're judging them we're like that's a 2340 01:35:42,430 --> 01:35:40,469 bad person but probably for them my best 2341 01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:42,440 guess is that's just a human thing 2342 01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:45,810 that's just what humans do if you watch 2343 01:35:49,130 --> 01:35:47,520 a nature show and see what animals do 2344 01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:49,140 that's just what the tiger does that's 2345 01:35:54,590 --> 01:35:51,570 just and maybe they judge us on that or 2346 01:35:57,410 --> 01:35:54,600 maybe there's no judgment but 2347 01:36:00,050 --> 01:35:57,420 I can't think how they would think if 2348 01:36:02,630 --> 01:36:00,060 there you know yeah they look good just 2349 01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:02,640 be one gigantic hoax and these are all 2350 01:36:09,410 --> 01:36:06,510 our crafts you know it's a piece I'll go 2351 01:36:12,530 --> 01:36:09,420 on the one if you know what if scenarios 2352 01:36:15,980 --> 01:36:12,540 but yeah that's the love the reason why 2353 01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:15,990 I say like a child because I do have a 2354 01:36:23,060 --> 01:36:20,010 memory of me being a baby and looking up 2355 01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:23,070 at my mother in a big giant head and 2356 01:36:28,130 --> 01:36:25,530 thinking what's the most beautiful woman 2357 01:36:31,730 --> 01:36:28,140 this is you know and that in that love 2358 01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:31,740 connection yeah I tell on you this UFO 2359 01:36:36,580 --> 01:36:34,800 thing was different from that but very 2360 01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:36,590 very close 2361 01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:39,930 interesting Wow yeah it's a feeling I 2362 01:36:45,020 --> 01:36:42,960 feel here like in my chest and in my 2363 01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:45,030 stomach and and I've had another 2364 01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:46,320 experience where I was driving down the 2365 01:36:51,230 --> 01:36:48,960 road and I felt it and I go there here 2366 01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:51,240 and I looked up at this star and I had 2367 01:36:55,970 --> 01:36:52,650 another person in the car with me and 2368 01:36:58,610 --> 01:36:55,980 this and I said that's guessing it's 2369 01:37:01,430 --> 01:36:58,620 that and the star get a checkmark and 2370 01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:01,440 went check and it took off Wow it got 2371 01:37:04,670 --> 01:37:02,490 tighter tighter tighter tighter tighter 2372 01:37:05,900 --> 01:37:04,680 but I had that feeling I'm just drying 2373 01:37:07,370 --> 01:37:05,910 I'd rather talk about noir things now 2374 01:37:09,380 --> 01:37:07,380 you think about UFOs or anything 2375 01:37:10,340 --> 01:37:09,390 I get the feeling and I go hey you know 2376 01:37:12,590 --> 01:37:10,350 that feeling I've been telling you about 2377 01:37:15,860 --> 01:37:12,600 I think they're here right now look and 2378 01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:15,870 then she witnessed it you know by the 2379 01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:17,520 time he looked up and went it was 2380 01:37:20,630 --> 01:37:18,810 staying perfectly well we looked at it 2381 01:37:23,210 --> 01:37:20,640 for about a minute and then we saw it go 2382 01:37:26,180 --> 01:37:23,220 do a check mark it went down and then 2383 01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:26,190 when it took off the it just it looked 2384 01:37:31,370 --> 01:37:28,320 like it got tiny but it's actually going 2385 01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:31,380 so far away so fast that it yeah that 2386 01:37:35,150 --> 01:37:33,840 was getting tiny well see as far as I 2387 01:37:37,550 --> 01:37:35,160 could see if we're disappeared but it 2388 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:37,560 was that a stop it went from stop to 2389 01:37:42,260 --> 01:37:40,890 extreme cellar acceleration here's a 2390 01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:42,270 here's something I've asked a lot of 2391 01:37:47,300 --> 01:37:44,250 guests and just to take your get your 2392 01:37:52,730 --> 01:37:47,310 take on it and that is if it's possible 2393 01:37:57,140 --> 01:37:52,740 that there is a ton of you know say 2394 01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:57,150 billions are will save and millions down 2395 01:38:01,670 --> 01:37:59,040 to that little of intelligent life out 2396 01:38:04,100 --> 01:38:01,680 there on different planets why us why do 2397 01:38:06,730 --> 01:38:04,110 they why do you think they would if it's 2398 01:38:09,470 --> 01:38:06,740 actually extraterrestrials visiting us 2399 01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:09,480 why would we be so spectacular that 2400 01:38:13,220 --> 01:38:10,770 would be visited 2401 01:38:14,690 --> 01:38:13,230 if there's other many many many other 2402 01:38:18,290 --> 01:38:14,700 planets out there with life on it 2403 01:38:19,850 --> 01:38:18,300 intelligent life why we're here I think 2404 01:38:21,170 --> 01:38:19,860 we are on the assumption that they're 2405 01:38:23,450 --> 01:38:21,180 far away because that's what we're 2406 01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:23,460 educated by NASA yeah it's so far away 2407 01:38:28,130 --> 01:38:26,010 to get here yeah and we got that mindset 2408 01:38:30,980 --> 01:38:28,140 and that's probably not the right 2409 01:38:32,420 --> 01:38:30,990 mindset I think way that my guess is 2410 01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:32,430 their technology doesn't matter where 2411 01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:34,410 they are in the universe yeah it's like 2412 01:38:38,900 --> 01:38:36,570 cell phone I could talk to you right now 2413 01:38:42,290 --> 01:38:38,910 I can come here right now I can slip in 2414 01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:42,300 slip out change time I can manipulate 2415 01:38:48,290 --> 01:38:45,090 time just from other cases I can go 2416 01:38:49,610 --> 01:38:48,300 through that other case where real quick 2417 01:38:52,670 --> 01:38:49,620 I'll just tell you real quick somebody 2418 01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:52,680 sees a UFO over a house okay 2419 01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:53,970 the next day to go out there the house 2420 01:38:58,700 --> 01:38:56,610 isn't there but he's sure it was right 2421 01:39:01,730 --> 01:38:58,710 here above the house and then 15 years 2422 01:39:03,230 --> 01:39:01,740 later the house gets built and his exact 2423 01:39:06,650 --> 01:39:03,240 house from what the guy remember many 2424 01:39:09,290 --> 01:39:06,660 years ago the sighting Wow so he's 2425 01:39:11,690 --> 01:39:09,300 actually probably saw the future if you 2426 01:39:13,700 --> 01:39:11,700 want to bleed to guys story and whatever 2427 01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:13,710 was was manipulating something during 2428 01:39:17,420 --> 01:39:16,320 that time that he you know that makes 2429 01:39:19,310 --> 01:39:17,430 sense he was driving through a 2430 01:39:20,780 --> 01:39:19,320 neighborhood that didn't exist yet but 2431 01:39:22,250 --> 01:39:20,790 he swear it was there and he remembered 2432 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:22,260 the house and he remember the UFO above 2433 01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:24,810 it and then years later the house has 2434 01:39:28,340 --> 01:39:27,090 built the exact way he remembered it you 2435 01:39:29,810 --> 01:39:28,350 know when he was driving through memory 2436 01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:29,820 lane saying it's really weird I remember 2437 01:39:33,620 --> 01:39:31,440 some and they built that house so 2438 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:33,630 obviously and then of course 2439 01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:37,050 missing time people be in no memory back 2440 01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:39,570 in their car I mean I think we're 2441 01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:40,650 getting off the subject he asked me a 2442 01:39:48,650 --> 01:39:46,050 question about yeah no no no I'm I think 2443 01:39:52,130 --> 01:39:48,660 this is a I said why us why are we so 2444 01:39:54,380 --> 01:39:52,140 spectacular thank you so I I don't think 2445 01:39:57,770 --> 01:39:54,390 we're that important we're probably just 2446 01:39:59,630 --> 01:39:57,780 you know do i I don't think that we're 2447 01:40:04,010 --> 01:39:59,640 that important I think they would study 2448 01:40:05,870 --> 01:40:04,020 trees plants anything it's just your 2449 01:40:08,180 --> 01:40:05,880 consciousness happens to be directing in 2450 01:40:10,190 --> 01:40:08,190 an area you looked up a is that huh and 2451 01:40:11,660 --> 01:40:10,200 then they might interact with you but I 2452 01:40:13,310 --> 01:40:11,670 think they've been coming and going for 2453 01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:13,320 a long time 2454 01:40:17,810 --> 01:40:15,810 heck they might actually even be here on 2455 01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:17,820 the planet they might be underground 2456 01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:20,130 underwater this might they might not be 2457 01:40:22,150 --> 01:40:20,690 coming from 2458 01:40:24,910 --> 01:40:22,160 this could be their home - and we're 2459 01:40:26,650 --> 01:40:24,920 coexisting just like you have ants in 2460 01:40:28,630 --> 01:40:26,660 your backyard but you don't tell and 2461 01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:28,640 they're in your territory but you don't 2462 01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:31,130 talk to them you go around you do your 2463 01:40:34,300 --> 01:40:32,960 business I might think it might be 2464 01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:34,310 something like that 2465 01:40:38,170 --> 01:40:37,040 I don't think we're that important I 2466 01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:38,180 mean I'm not sad 2467 01:40:43,750 --> 01:40:42,050 you know duh not sad like like hey we 2468 01:40:45,700 --> 01:40:43,760 want to invite you into the cosmic 2469 01:40:47,740 --> 01:40:45,710 family and give you our technology in 2470 01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:47,750 you can go do the Star Trek and all that 2471 01:40:51,250 --> 01:40:49,730 kind of I think we're way off on what's 2472 01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:51,260 really going on and once we figure it 2473 01:40:55,090 --> 01:40:53,210 out it'll probably all make sense they 2474 01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:55,100 drown though I think we're just like 2475 01:40:59,410 --> 01:40:56,930 farm animals or not farm animals but 2476 01:41:01,479 --> 01:40:59,420 rodents in the forest yeah as a human 2477 01:41:03,010 --> 01:41:01,489 that's passing through to go do whatever 2478 01:41:04,660 --> 01:41:03,020 they want to do I think they're 2479 01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:04,670 indifferent and they're coming and going 2480 01:41:10,660 --> 01:41:07,520 I would recommend that you don't they 2481 01:41:12,459 --> 01:41:10,670 can become hostile but usually from our 2482 01:41:14,050 --> 01:41:12,469 experience from cases and stuff they 2483 01:41:16,630 --> 01:41:14,060 become hostile when we try to attack it 2484 01:41:18,729 --> 01:41:16,640 yeah so when it's gonna shoots climate 2485 01:41:20,979 --> 01:41:18,739 locks on missiles so I would recommend 2486 01:41:23,110 --> 01:41:20,989 the ever seen one don't point your 2487 01:41:25,330 --> 01:41:23,120 weapon at it and don't ever go under it 2488 01:41:28,209 --> 01:41:25,340 because I'm always from my experience 2489 01:41:30,490 --> 01:41:28,219 and from other cases Travis Walton that 2490 01:41:32,110 --> 01:41:30,500 you can get hurt by being under a UFO so 2491 01:41:33,959 --> 01:41:32,120 you don't want to take chances with it 2492 01:41:37,420 --> 01:41:33,969 you want to stay back you can observe 2493 01:41:40,150 --> 01:41:37,430 but yeah I would say that most of them 2494 01:41:42,370 --> 01:41:40,160 are harmful but don't take chances with 2495 01:41:43,959 --> 01:41:42,380 UFOs don't point your weapon at it don't 2496 01:41:46,510 --> 01:41:43,969 go under it don't go touch it to crap 2497 01:41:48,459 --> 01:41:46,520 you don't know what's going on and that 2498 01:41:51,850 --> 01:41:48,469 would be my best advice and as for 2499 01:41:58,530 --> 01:41:51,860 agendas and what they think us my best 2500 01:42:02,410 --> 01:41:58,540 best bet is they're indifferent it's and 2501 01:42:06,700 --> 01:42:02,420 what about how do you view the 2502 01:42:09,850 --> 01:42:06,710 government may make I don't want to say 2503 01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:09,860 handle the situation but what do think 2504 01:42:15,209 --> 01:42:12,370 the government has any more information 2505 01:42:17,890 --> 01:42:15,219 I personally think that they probably 2506 01:42:20,470 --> 01:42:17,900 know they exist but don't know what they 2507 01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:20,480 are you know that's that's always been I 2508 01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:22,250 with you on that I know you hear stories 2509 01:42:25,870 --> 01:42:24,290 best secret space program and we're with 2510 01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:25,880 the aliens and we're out there doing all 2511 01:42:29,979 --> 01:42:26,330 this 2512 01:42:32,830 --> 01:42:29,989 it sounds awesome I think they're just 2513 01:42:34,250 --> 01:42:32,840 as it's just not scared but if they've 2514 01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:34,260 learned something more 2515 01:42:39,529 --> 01:42:37,920 that we don't know about that we're not 2516 01:42:41,120 --> 01:42:39,539 telling us they might have a they might 2517 01:42:43,970 --> 01:42:41,130 know a little bit more than what we know 2518 01:42:46,939 --> 01:42:43,980 but just as lost as you and I am to 2519 01:42:49,399 --> 01:42:46,949 figuring out what the agenda is probably 2520 01:42:51,229 --> 01:42:49,409 different races probably different it's 2521 01:42:52,669 --> 01:42:51,239 hard to keep to tell what an agenda is 2522 01:42:55,459 --> 01:42:52,679 it's not just one thing coming 2523 01:42:56,959 --> 01:42:55,469 it could be group of scientists for 2524 01:42:59,689 --> 01:42:56,969 somewhere come and check it out could be 2525 01:43:00,620 --> 01:42:59,699 a probe it could be an organic life-form 2526 01:43:04,339 --> 01:43:00,630 that looks like a ship 2527 01:43:07,850 --> 01:43:04,349 ya know yeah I've heard crazy stories 2528 01:43:11,870 --> 01:43:07,860 about soldiers that come up on a crashed 2529 01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:11,880 UFO many different agents and they would 2530 01:43:16,220 --> 01:43:13,650 want to know what's inside the UFO and 2531 01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:16,230 the door would open up for hmm want to 2532 01:43:20,959 --> 01:43:18,449 know what's inside it just opens up you 2533 01:43:22,700 --> 01:43:20,969 know it's like link to the to the mind 2534 01:43:25,939 --> 01:43:22,710 like they don't need keys they don't 2535 01:43:29,839 --> 01:43:25,949 lock their doors but I want to get 2536 01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:29,849 inside door opens up then from what was 2537 01:43:34,339 --> 01:43:32,489 the guy's name of Colonel Philip J Corso 2538 01:43:36,830 --> 01:43:34,349 you know you know that guy yeah okay 2539 01:43:38,750 --> 01:43:36,840 it's not alive now but he said that the 2540 01:43:42,290 --> 01:43:38,760 navigational system the computer of the 2541 01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:42,300 ship was the being itself the ship 2542 01:43:47,060 --> 01:43:44,159 responding to the beings commands the 2543 01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:47,070 beam was the navigation everything I 2544 01:43:53,390 --> 01:43:51,090 want to go here I want to go here so it 2545 01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:53,400 was almost like an empty shell no moving 2546 01:43:56,270 --> 01:43:54,090 parts 2547 01:43:58,339 --> 01:43:56,280 they have wires that were embedded into 2548 01:44:03,109 --> 01:43:58,349 the walls but it was more like fiber 2549 01:44:05,500 --> 01:44:03,119 optics yeah like what we have now but 2550 01:44:08,209 --> 01:44:05,510 really couldn't reengineer the craft 2551 01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:08,219 it's just an egg shell the most 2552 01:44:16,549 --> 01:44:11,210 important thing was the being itself Wow 2553 01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:16,559 yeah and yeah I you know this there's 2554 01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:18,449 you just mentioned fiber optics and I 2555 01:44:24,669 --> 01:44:21,210 know that's one of the speculative 2556 01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:24,679 things that they're supposed to have 2557 01:44:29,359 --> 01:44:26,880 re-engineered from something that was 2558 01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:29,369 found at some point I don't know what I 2559 01:44:36,580 --> 01:44:33,570 think about all that you know and it's 2560 01:44:39,490 --> 01:44:36,590 it just seems like if there are 2561 01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:39,500 somewhere there are these crashed 2562 01:44:44,930 --> 01:44:42,570 saucers being stowed away in some hanger 2563 01:44:47,450 --> 01:44:44,940 like hangar 1 or someplace like that 2564 01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:47,460 that it seems like eventually 2565 01:44:56,300 --> 01:44:53,130 the word would get out yeah this 2566 01:44:57,740 --> 01:44:56,310 information yeah I think you me are on 2567 01:44:59,959 --> 01:44:57,750 the same page I don't think oh the same 2568 01:45:01,459 --> 01:44:59,969 hands clue what's going on I think they 2569 01:45:03,470 --> 01:45:01,469 know they're real but that's about as 2570 01:45:06,410 --> 01:45:03,480 far as it goes we know we see them we 2571 01:45:08,090 --> 01:45:06,420 observe them but they do make these 2572 01:45:10,430 --> 01:45:08,100 circles around our fighter jets we can 2573 01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:10,440 never pin them down all right and having 2574 01:45:15,530 --> 01:45:12,330 somebody some of them crash here just 2575 01:45:18,410 --> 01:45:15,540 doesn't seem you know I guess they make 2576 01:45:20,690 --> 01:45:18,420 mistakes too but you travel all the way 2577 01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:20,700 across the cosmos or slipping in and out 2578 01:45:27,670 --> 01:45:22,730 of dimensions or whatever they're doing 2579 01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:27,680 I doubt if we had a ship that crashed 2580 01:45:31,850 --> 01:45:29,760 somebody would come rescue them I'm 2581 01:45:34,850 --> 01:45:31,860 pretty sure and take all the evidence 2582 01:45:36,350 --> 01:45:34,860 away from us clean it up yeah and if 2583 01:45:38,420 --> 01:45:36,360 they can take your memories away then 2584 01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:38,430 that guess they can do that too and you 2585 01:45:43,010 --> 01:45:39,600 never know what even happened 2586 01:45:46,070 --> 01:45:43,020 Yeah right yeah yeah I think people have 2587 01:45:47,540 --> 01:45:46,080 argued that the you know maybe they 2588 01:45:49,100 --> 01:45:47,550 encountered something that they weren't 2589 01:45:52,010 --> 01:45:49,110 expecting and that's the reason they 2590 01:45:53,630 --> 01:45:52,020 crash you know like radar waves or 2591 01:45:56,930 --> 01:45:53,640 whatever it is 2592 01:45:59,420 --> 01:45:56,940 who knows it is that is kind of a you 2593 01:46:00,920 --> 01:45:59,430 know a really good skeptical argument 2594 01:46:03,500 --> 01:46:00,930 why would they travel all this way and 2595 01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:03,510 you know crash 2596 01:46:10,190 --> 01:46:07,050 I understand the argument totally and I 2597 01:46:12,110 --> 01:46:10,200 would I really can't it's just this is 2598 01:46:14,300 --> 01:46:12,120 from what we hear we're repeating things 2599 01:46:15,979 --> 01:46:14,310 from what we've heard it's not our own 2600 01:46:17,570 --> 01:46:15,989 personal experience and we haven't seen 2601 01:46:20,380 --> 01:46:17,580 the data and we haven't held it in our 2602 01:46:23,150 --> 01:46:20,390 hands yeah yeah you haven't touched it 2603 01:46:25,580 --> 01:46:23,160 but you hear from others and we I mean 2604 01:46:27,620 --> 01:46:25,590 we as you've people that talk about 2605 01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:27,630 stories kind of to gossip the gospel 2606 01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:29,489 we're saying yeah Roswell happen all 2607 01:46:35,300 --> 01:46:32,719 this stuff you know but I wasn't there I 2608 01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:35,310 mean get to touch the metallurgy I would 2609 01:46:40,970 --> 01:46:37,290 love to please I would love to see this 2610 01:46:42,380 --> 01:46:40,980 stuff but I can only I it's like I had 2611 01:46:44,900 --> 01:46:42,390 people ask me how beasts met an alien 2612 01:46:47,479 --> 01:46:44,910 well you have all the GFO sightings I've 2613 01:46:50,330 --> 01:46:47,489 seen I know UFOs are real I don't know 2614 01:46:52,610 --> 01:46:50,340 what they are that's and that's about 2615 01:46:54,620 --> 01:46:52,620 the honest answer I can give and I 2616 01:46:55,970 --> 01:46:54,630 wouldn't be surprised buckle Sam would 2617 01:46:57,890 --> 01:46:55,980 probably say the same thing 2618 01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:57,900 UFOs are real we track on we don't know 2619 01:47:00,489 --> 01:47:00,000 what they are you watching them for a 2620 01:47:03,370 --> 01:47:00,499 long time 2621 01:47:06,279 --> 01:47:03,380 now I know you were we met at the MUFON 2622 01:47:08,589 --> 01:47:06,289 event and I know you like myself who 2623 01:47:13,089 --> 01:47:08,599 came in late I came in late because of 2624 01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:13,099 the traffic but I did watch the on 2625 01:47:20,979 --> 01:47:16,610 YouTube lewis Elizondo talk i watch that 2626 01:47:23,879 --> 01:47:20,989 and basically he is saying you know wait 2627 01:47:25,839 --> 01:47:23,889 till this time next year it was gonna be 2628 01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:25,849 it's gonna be a whole different world 2629 01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:27,440 this time next year or something along 2630 01:47:34,330 --> 01:47:33,050 those lines do you think that he is well 2631 01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:34,340 what's your what's your thoughts on that 2632 01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:37,010 do you think he's actually going to be 2633 01:47:42,009 --> 01:47:39,050 releasing things or what do you have you 2634 01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:42,019 been following that he told Jane 2635 01:47:49,810 --> 01:47:46,159 horizion when someone I think one of the 2636 01:47:52,239 --> 01:47:49,820 questions was this is going to answer 2637 01:47:54,489 --> 01:47:52,249 your question he said if it wasn't for 2638 01:47:56,979 --> 01:47:54,499 MUFON a tip would have never been formed 2639 01:47:58,870 --> 01:47:56,989 no I would kidding me any guy should 2640 01:48:01,149 --> 01:47:58,880 have a UFO program before civilians have 2641 01:48:03,759 --> 01:48:01,159 a UFO program but they use the MUFON 2642 01:48:06,700 --> 01:48:03,769 database presenting it showed it to 2643 01:48:08,020 --> 01:48:06,710 Congress Senator Reid and they like well 2644 01:48:09,790 --> 01:48:08,030 look at all this data we need to have 2645 01:48:11,229 --> 01:48:09,800 our own program and I'm pretty sure 2646 01:48:12,759 --> 01:48:11,239 there's other other programs going on 2647 01:48:15,609 --> 01:48:12,769 that deal with UFOs that no one knows 2648 01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:15,619 about but from his program that he 2649 01:48:21,129 --> 01:48:18,920 worked for a tip he also told Jan that 2650 01:48:23,589 --> 01:48:21,139 well the reason why we're all coming up 2651 01:48:26,410 --> 01:48:23,599 now is there's a situation he said the 2652 01:48:28,359 --> 01:48:26,420 situation has come up well he wouldn't 2653 01:48:32,109 --> 01:48:28,369 elaborate on it well that's kind of 2654 01:48:35,370 --> 01:48:32,119 interesting I have a genetical like what 2655 01:48:37,660 --> 01:48:35,380 you're saying and that's all I know 2656 01:48:39,939 --> 01:48:37,670 we're what he where he's leading to I 2657 01:48:41,739 --> 01:48:39,949 have no idea I know he said he couldn't 2658 01:48:44,620 --> 01:48:41,749 talk about it but something has come up 2659 01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:44,630 and the reason for this push you know 2660 01:48:47,739 --> 01:48:46,130 Pentagon's admitting that they were 2661 01:48:50,049 --> 01:48:47,749 involved in you up those but they've 2662 01:48:54,850 --> 01:48:50,059 been denying it for a while you know the 2663 01:48:57,520 --> 01:48:54,860 Bluebook right well I had Stan Stan 2664 01:49:01,109 --> 01:48:57,530 Freeman on my show the week after the 2665 01:49:04,359 --> 01:49:01,119 Pentagon came out to get his take and 2666 01:49:06,129 --> 01:49:04,369 one of the first things he said is you 2667 01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:06,139 know you know how we talk to my question 2668 01:49:12,819 --> 01:49:09,650 is why now and that is that is a great 2669 01:49:14,410 --> 01:49:12,829 question you know why why now 2670 01:49:17,500 --> 01:49:14,420 so there's got to be a reason 2671 01:49:20,110 --> 01:49:17,510 yeah which is more heart the to put your 2672 01:49:22,780 --> 01:49:20,120 face on the line to come out and do this 2673 01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:22,790 push it's just keep your mouth shut and 2674 01:49:27,490 --> 01:49:25,010 just keep the status quo going the way 2675 01:49:32,050 --> 01:49:27,500 it is you know yeah so but he did say 2676 01:49:34,750 --> 01:49:32,060 the situation has come up not allowed to 2677 01:49:37,780 --> 01:49:34,760 talk about it but that's why we and you 2678 01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:37,790 know let's say that I'm just I mean we 2679 01:49:40,540 --> 01:49:39,170 can just use our imagination let's say 2680 01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:40,550 something's coming we could see it 2681 01:49:44,140 --> 01:49:42,560 coming here right yeah you want to get 2682 01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:44,150 the public ready what would you do 2683 01:49:48,340 --> 01:49:46,730 yeah you've got to move on and say blah 2684 01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:48,350 blah blah and then get on your TV shows 2685 01:49:53,650 --> 01:49:50,810 and kind of get people like hangar 1 and 2686 01:49:56,410 --> 01:49:53,660 all these UFO documented on the last 30 2687 01:49:59,710 --> 01:49:56,420 years get people a climate in so just in 2688 01:50:03,100 --> 01:49:59,720 case the cats out of the bag it won't be 2689 01:50:04,930 --> 01:50:03,110 that much of a jolt or shock to us yeah 2690 01:50:07,450 --> 01:50:04,940 and we continue on go back to work or 2691 01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:07,460 whatever you know it would be better 2692 01:50:12,130 --> 01:50:09,650 that way the to let you know that hey 2693 01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:12,140 son you're a foster kid instead of be 2694 01:50:15,490 --> 01:50:13,850 pretending the illusion I'm your real 2695 01:50:17,980 --> 01:50:15,500 dad and wait till you're a grown man and 2696 01:50:20,380 --> 01:50:17,990 let you know yeah your parents that 2697 01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,390 would be even be more less of a shock if 2698 01:50:23,650 --> 01:50:22,880 you're acclimated right hey well we ran 2699 01:50:26,530 --> 01:50:23,660 out of time 2700 01:50:28,930 --> 01:50:26,540 Jeremy can you believe it wow that was a 2701 01:50:30,700 --> 01:50:28,940 lot of fun Martin yeah thanks so much it 2702 01:50:33,100 --> 01:50:30,710 was it was a great pleasure I really 2703 01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:33,110 enjoyed it thank you sir